To Swiftsearcher,
I modified this post to respond to your most recent post on August 3rd and August 1st, to respond to your be-littlement of my character and my research. As everyone can take note of above and below this post.
Ya know, Swiftsearcher, in the very beginning when "I" requested Tnet to start this Forum for Johnathan Swift's Lost Silver Mines, I believe you where the first one to come in and post something on Swift. I thought "cool" here's someone who is interested in Swift, but when you came into the forum for the first time you posted that you had found everything, "knew everything", etc. And ever since you have played out to be the ultimate authority on the subject ever since.
Because you are writing a book and just want everyone to know the truth, Scheese, In my opinion, I think you want people to think you are right, to make a scenic attraction out of the Swift mines, so you can make money off of it like everyone is doing along the Mountain Parkway with fake gem mining places etc., and in Ky, with historical sites, areas, legends, etc., just my opinion.
Nobody in here can say a word or present their findings without you telling them they are
"WRONG" And I know you will have a nasty rebuttal to this message I am writting to you and try to disprove everything I say.
My proof: (How Swiftsearcher, has discredited my posts, etc.)
Just after I began my first post in the beginning threads in this forum, on ("Johnathan Swift's Lost Silver Mines-Carvings"), Swiftsearcher discredited my research, just because I left out a few monumental rocks which I forgot to mention, because there are many rocks Swift mentions in the "many" journals, on the subject. He bashed my research and has done it ever since,...
Re: John Swifts Lost Silver Mines (carvings)
To all, here is how "Swiftsearcher" responded to my first post, this is how he discredited me, and thinks he knows it all, my screenname at that time was Johnny's Lighthouse. I deleted most of my post because, since he tears my's research up and interjects his stuff, I fiqure why give him my findings and facts for him to twist and manipulate and discredit my words, to make himself look correct, let him work for it...see below
My proof...
Here is Swiftsearchers response to my first post on Johnathan Swift Silver Mines,
Reply To This Topic #17 Posted Jan 09, 2008, 04:02:30 PM Quote:
Going through JL's original post above (it all runs together and I have never read through it all until now), the BIGGEST rock landmarks he omitted were the Turtle Back Rock and Chestnut Burr Rock. I have found the TB Rock, Lighthouse Rock (which IS West of the mines) and several other landmarks.
One mistake I noticed is JL listed a rock leaning against a clift. Well, Swift never mentioned this. He mentioned a two rocks leaning together with a creek flowing under them that is near the rockhouse he stayed in (which is 100 yards above the furnace rockhouse). I have pics of this as well! The only thing is the creek has dried up that runs into furnace creek below the rockhouse, but one can clearly make out the rocks and old creek bed.
(I will interject here to point out some notes taken from one of the many Swift journals, Swift states, I crossed a rock bridge and the water flowed under it and they we continued west to find the Indian trace. Swift also says; Quote, The entrance to one of the mines is in between a rock that learns against the cliff which looks as if it had fallen from above, go in between them and you will find the entrance to one of the mines), there are many journals, were swifts give direction and what to look for to find the mines, but I quess mine is the wrong journal and Swiftsearchers is the right one.
Also the circle carving on a flat rock is NOT the mines -this happened when Swift had to bury some crowns on his journey back home and is 4-5 days away from the mines.
[Again I will interject, there are many circle carvings found in and around the Red River Gorge area, that are documented, and many historic markers along the roads near Stanton and Campton Kentucky, which state Swift's presence in the area. But again I am wrong and according to Swiftsearcher, probably none of my research pertains to Swift. Swift also says in his journal, to be brief, "We were bothered by indians and buried a cache of silver at the mouth of a large creek that flowed in a south direction, we cut a triangle on a nearby rock to mark the spot". Swift also states, to be brief, he buried several other caches that he mentions in his journal, such as near a blue rock with three hash marks on it, and also on a creek flowing in an easterly direction, and some other caches as well. And by the way Swiftsearcher has claimed to have found all of these things I mention and has never shown any proof. Everythjing I post is "Wrong", I quess according to Swiftsearcher
Also, a lot of the other carvings JL mentions, Swift did NOT. These are probably carvings from the Indians, French, Spanish, moonshiners, etc. But, NOT Swift!
(Again I will interject, I did not say that Swift did all the carvings I presented, but that the carvings I did present were related to the Swift mines and were done by others who knew of the mines. I hope people will notice how he has taken my post and twisted and tried to manipulate my words and what I wrote or was actually saying. This is what he does to people's research to make his claim look correct)
Bottom Line - If ANYONE says they found Swift's Mine, and do NOT mention seeing a Chestnut Burr Rock that is right above the mine, the mine/cave they found is NOT Swift's! THIS is the key! As soon as I find the rich mine (and I am REAL CLOSE - just dread trecking through the rough steep country on my bad leg and hip), I will write my book and include a pic of the Chestnut Burr Rock. This landmark will be the definitive proof for anyone finding Swift's rich mine! I was planning to put the furnace waterfall on the cover of my book, as it is beautiful. However, the Chestnut Burr Rock might be a good pic for the cover as well!
(Again...I have not seen any pictures from Swiftsearcher's of a chestnut burr rock as of yet, or a blue stone with hash marks, 'note", many rocks can look like a chestnuts and blue stones with hash marks can be faked) all i have seen is just some pictures of caves and other stuff he claims to be the Swift mines, speculation
So I want everyone to see that it is pretty apparent and evident how Swiftsearcher cuts my research apart, because I may have left out a fact or two. I have seen in Swiftsearchers post where he has done this to "Ki's post or research as well, one of my Tnet friends who will tell you the same thing, (go ahead and read all the post people and decide for yourselves), he has done it to all of us every time we post something. All I can say to you Swiftsearcher is go ahead on with you bad self, people will eventually find out who is correct and who isn't.
Again... Swiftsearcher the proof up above shows that no sooner than I posted my research you went through and scutinized everything I had researched for many years on Swift and dominated the thread, as you have in all the other threads as well. You cut my/others research apart and gave reasons why I/we were wrong...people go see posts. You did this "because I forgot to mention the chestnut burr rock", etc., in one of my post, when discussing monumental rocks etc. And there were many other remarks where you scutinized my carvings and petroglyph research,...people see other post, for your education Swiftsearcher there are many carvings that pertain to the Swift mines, and they are left in more than one area.
(Go back and read all your post and see how you dis-credited me and others who have posted things as well, from the very beginning, I think they will agree with me, that you were the first one to attack many people's research in this forum)
As for my credentials and character that you have attacked me on in the past, I am 52yrs old and have researched JS since I was 17yrs old. I like you have been to many places and I have heard and read much litiature on it. I have talked with many authors, as well, I have read all of Mike Steely's work on the mines, as well as, Ralph Volker's and I am familiar with all of Henson's work and many other treasure hunters work, as well as, the history of the families and descendents of some of Swifts men, Collins History of Kentucky, Draper Manuscripts, D. Boone, Colonel Tye, Renfro, Filson, Stoner, etc. and many, many other people, and folklore and countless journals on Swift. I am familiar with all the indian legends on the mines, as well, Wilenaw whose son was Doublehead the Great Cherokee Chief, father of Cornblossom, the great war women, whom the whites use the term (Princess), Chief Charlie Bluejacket, of the Shawnee, etc., I could go on and on. I have followed all your post and "have heard" everything you have ever mentioned on the Swift Legend at one time or another, and some facts you haven't mentioned, which I won't reveal". You are not the only person who has studied Swift extensively. We all realize there is much distorted and twisted facts on the legend as well, and some of us are just as intelligent as you to fiqure things out.
To let you know a few more things about me, I am a graduate geologist from NKU, with much mine, mineral and geology experience, as well as, an amatuer archaeologist, not to mention an expert in topographical research and other mapping techniques. I am also a member of the Cincinati Grotto Chapter (cavers) or Spieliological Society, as well as, an avid outdoorsman highly skillled in the wilderness, who does get around quite well and have done extensive field research on Swift. But according to you I don't know what I am talking about and in you and your treasure buddy's own words, I am a
"Ludicrist" and always wrong about everything I have ever posted".
Another thing, I have way more education and experience on the Swift Mines than you will ever have and you just having 6 years and some army training is some pretty poor credentials if you ask me. I have a a special ops friend, like you, who was in the service, and done navigation, not mention people who learned skills while in the service and still hade to attend a university to get their degrees, and most of them didn't have the high grades I had.
To come out and say I found everything in six years is pretty amazing, when many men have looked for over 240 years and have not found it, this implies that your are better than everyone who has ever looked for it and you did it in 6 years, with no proof, which if you ask me is alot of POOH
( Again go back and read where you have discredited me in my past post, not to mention others you have done it too.)
"I have never" told anybody in here they were wrong, or attacked them or discredited them about there research until after they scutinized my research like you have, so why shouldn't I get irate like your Buddy Ralph did when I finnally posted something, he propbably had not be paying attention of how you bashed mine/others research, "you are learning", it is only natural when you attack people and do this to people. go see!
We are all passionate about our research and we all have our own ideas and research as to where the mines might be, there are many areas and copies of journals, maps and possible legend areas, etc. stating differint facts for Johnathan Swift's Lost Mines, (Upper, middle and lower.) There are many areas in Kentucky, Tennessee, Virginia and W. Virginia, that can fit Swift's description of the mine area, monument rocks, etc.
Just like me and just like you, we have made our claims, because we think we are right about our finds. But really me or you have never really actually presented "overwhelming proof of our discovery", we have shown pictures of many differint things, caves , carvings, tools, etc., making claims, documenting, authenticating things, but nothing definitive that proves anything authentic on Johnathan Swift, we have shown no real treasure, artifacts, viens of silver, authenic Swift crowns, silver bars, caches, moulds, etc. and anyone can get silver samples and claim it to be Swift's this proves nothing. Both of our research is very good and we are passionate about it. But really neither of us can really make the claim that we found Swift's Mines until there is overwhelming proof, which neither of us has given.
But you don't see me in here printing millions of words and taking pictures of caves etc, and making countless claims saying they are in fact Swift's, like you, declaring you are absolutely right and I and everyone else is wrong. I made one post where I simply say: Swift Upper Mines Found
Posted Jun 10, 2009, 02:09:17 PM
Hey Ki, and All
Swift's "upper mines" found using the carving/survey or compass rock on LDC and a few other carvings. I found the spot that many of the carvings pertain to. GCS nearby the mines, other carvings in the area pertain to it as well. If and when anybody does find it, you better keep it a secret or the landowners or law enforcement/feds will get it all. The secret is safe with me, "like it has been for close to 240yrs." The thrill of the hunt. When I have some solid evidence, I will show it to ya'll.
Sincerely,
L37something -aka- Swifty -aka- Johnny's Lighthouse...
I deleted many of my post and edited some of them because of the scutiny I got from you and others. My finds are real and I believe authenic like you claim yours to be. That is why I have my doubts about you finding John Swifts lost Silver Mines, (Upper mines), and you have you doubts about my claim as well.
The reason I posted the way I did in my last post is because I was tired of getting cut down and my post being scutinized and being told I was,
"Wrong". And every time you post, you go on and on and make claims about this or that and say when my book comes out I will reveal everything. I could write a book too, but have chosen not to at this moment because in order to do so I would have to make much of my research public, revealing the area of where "I" think the mines are, giving away my spot after all my hard work. I like you want the chance to investigate first for myself before making it public knowledge. (And I will show definitive proof as I get it and not speculation, like you.)
I am waiting for your book with many others in here because we want to come see, if in fact you have found them and the great cave. I know you don't want to give your area away until you can investigate everything, or show any amounts of treasure, but you will have too to authenticate the claims you make, etc., "well it is the same for me too, "and I will show everything when the time presents itself" and not spew millions of words like you have without proof. We need extraordinary proof to make extraordinary claims, "as we say in here" and I am sorry it was not you who said this, as I was told, but this is what they said to me when I posted something. I will not give out any latitude or longitude co-ordinates or even mention the county I am in until I investigate as well, just like you.
You say you have been begging people to help you ever since you been in here and I would have helped you but when you discredited my research and made yourself out to be the ultimate authority and you make us/me out to be less than you , and me/others are wrong except you, you belittle us and offend us/me, and others in here have told me this as well, and there are others in here who discredit some of us/me, as well, not just you.
So this is why I posted the way I did, to give you a little bit of your own medicine, and now you see how it feels. You retaliate and want to attack me and blame me for attacking you, saying even more stuff about me to discredit me, as you have done from the very beginning of the threads in this forum.
But even so I am not mad at you and I commend you for being a Vietnam Veteran, and I thank you for what you did for our country! And I wish you much luck on your discovery of the Swift mines. And I would help you if I could but unfortunately you know it all, so you don't leave much room for me or others to help you.
Man brother, you must have an open mind to others research and not discredit and think you know it all, because you could be wrong, as well as, "me", in our findings and claims on the Swift mines.
P.S.
I was formally going to apologize to you Swiftsearcher, not out of weakness but as a man, but after reading you last response of August 1st and Aug. 3rd to this post, I decided not to, because I realized no matter, what I say I am not talking to a man with reason.
I also hope others who read this message will be open-mined as well, to each others research, and not bash eachother, so we all can have a good time, converse, exchange ideas, without cutting each other down and enjoy our dream of finding lost treasures, etc.
I want every one to know that this is my last post on Tnet because after this and everything that has been said between me and Swiftsearcher it will be no fun or enjoyment for me to come into the forum on Swift, because I know Swiftsearcher will continue to discredit me, but I quess in my opinion, this was his motive for discrediting my research, to drive me off so he can continue to be/look like the ultimate authority on the Swift Legend. In my opinion probably to make money on the Swift legend by promoting a book or a fake scenic attration, as many are doing in Ky with historical lengends, areas sites, just my opinion, etc. one other thing Swiftsearcher when your book does come out I will use it in my Outhouse.
L37something-aka-Swifty-aka- Johnny's Lighthouse
AHHHH! CORNSTALK! NAW... that is a MAP; of the "cave system" of THREE ROOMS. If ya found a cave... REMEMBER the THREE steps on da "pointer"/HEART rock... I had written TWO "posts" with MORE info, YESTERDAY, BUT! BOTH "posts" would NOT go through. Is THIS web-site "BUGGED"? HA! 
STILL here! 
Do you believe the Rich Mine is the mine spoken of that is actually in the Great Cave or could it have been another mine (the Middle Mine). I can rule out the first mine, the one they mined in 1761, before moving to the saddle gap (which contains the three Principal Mines). I can also rule out the West Mine as well. So, the mine located in the Great Cave, if those stories from the Indian Chiefs are correct, HAS to be either the Middle Mine or Rich Mine.
![:-\](https://www.treasurenet.com/smilies/undecided.gif "Undecided :-\")
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Who knows, there might be some pics of a find or find(s) as well - just don't expect any of a cavern full of treasure however! 
