Gold ll escudos

[Peg Leg]

This is for anyone that is interested.
But mainly TREZ.
When I started asking question about my Gold ll Escudos it was HINTED that I was FULL OF CRAP and that they may be FAKE. Of course that was Not said or posted but the hint was there never the less.
I received CONFORMATION last night and a scan of the coin in question.
Check this out:
Look at the Calico, Barcelona book, "Monedas Espanolas Desde Juan y Carlos A Isabel ll, 1504 a 1868, 1985 edition Pg 57.
It shows a photo of the coin in question. It PROVES beyond question that a Hand Hammer Gold ll Escudo WAS minted in Granada during the reign of Philip ll.
Of course the coin shown has some writing on the outside edge and mine do not but the Mint make "G"is on the left side of the shield and the assayers mark is on the right side. It also shows the small "o" above the big "D" and below this is the ll. The assay is about the same at 22 K and the weight is about the same at 6.7 grams.
I then went to New World Coins to see if they had anything like this=NO THEY DID NOT.
BUT they did show a Gold Escudo ll that was minted in Seville Spain and was recovered from the ATOCHA. There were only 150 of these coins recovered.

I have about 10 of the Granada minted coins almost in Mint condition and have NO idea what they may be worth.
The ATOCHA coin is being offered at $22,000.00 and they recovered 150. As far as I have been able to find out the coins that I have are the only Gold ll Escudos ever to be recovered ANYWHERE that were minted in Granada Spain.
I HOPE THIS PUTS AN END TO THE FINGERPOINTING.
Thanks
Peg leg

 

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[stevemc]

Peg Leg,that is weird that there would be a coin minted in Seville, Spain, on the Atocha. They were bringing coins and goods back from the New World to Spain. Most of the gold coins were minted in South America- so I thought. Anybody out there know about that? As I remember most of the coins are Potosi mint that were found on the Atocha or Margarita.

 

[Peg Leg]

What they are saying is that it was someones POCKET CHANGE.
Lets do the math.
A gold ll escudo will weigh close to 6.6 grams and they recovered 150 x 6.6 = 990 grams ./. by 28 grams (remember there were no troy ounces at time) =35.36 ounces ./. 16 = 2.21 pounds of GOLD. You must also remember that there were NO pockets at this time. There were however leather pouches and you could put all into one leather pouch. It was possible.
This appears to be the same case with my coins. I believe that the coins could have been someones POCKET CHANGE and that these coins were in a leather pouch. I would also say that when the ship went down that the pouch washed ashore and the Indians picked it up. Now the question is WAS THE SHIP "COMING OR GOING".
I find this happening today with some of us wondering if we are " COMING OR GOING"
PEG LEG

 

[stevemc]

Grubstake, I have 2 Whites Surfmaster PIs, one a PI Pro that was modded by Mr Bill for gold alloy sensitivity(even faster pulse), and one that I have had for 10 years or so, just a regular surfmaster PI. The Pro has a diver weighted coil and the regular doesnt, it floats up slightly. But I use a weight I made with concrete on that when I dive. I have had both deeper than 100' sw. I think the deepest was 130" or so. Never a leak. I know the manual says 100' but I have not really thought about it, and forgot about the max depth thing, but it would be my fault if it imploded. I am way over in Florida, but if you need any diving volunteers, with many years of diving, recovery, preservation,and working wrecks, let me know. I have lots of equipment just for diving and recovery, underwater video camera, and UW still cameras, underwater video with TV topside, big coil 5' x 3' PI detector w 150' cable, hookah, big tanks and lots of other stuff.

 

[Peg Leg]

Peg Leg . Whenever you say something you mention money . How much is your coin worth ? This seems to be formost on your mind whenever you start mentioning something . And the remark was spot on .......why was a coin minted in Seville on board the Atocha ? Here you stretch your immagination again . It was in somebody's pouche . Well let me tell you it is more logic that these people took money back to Spain instead of taking it from Spain to the Indies and than back to Spain . Think about it will you ! Then the writing on the side is another clue . Cornelius

What are you trying to say Cornelius?
All I was saying is what the Mel Fisher people and New World Coins are saying and since there were no pockets at this time is history where did the people carry their coins. Leather pouches with draw strings.
The price of the Seville Gold ll Escudo is quoted on their website.
Do some research concening Philip ll and then you can jump my case IF I AM WRONG.

Yes I mention MONEY a lot because without it you would not have all the TOYS you have. MONEY buys whatever we need to play with.
Peg leg

 

[Peg Leg]

Well my friends I am taking this a step further.
I have sent a letter to Granada Spain showing one of the coins that was minted there and asking that can they CERTIFY it was minted in Granada and to include any and all information concerning this coin and Philip ll and the MINT. I believe that these coins may just be the RAREST coin to every have been recovered in the State of Florida or the New World.
Just think I DID NOT MENTION MONEY
Peg leg

 

[old man]

Pegleg,
I don't want to burst your bubble, but I also have a simialr coin. I have it in my safety deposit box and will take a picture and post it tomorrow. I wasn't of the opinion that it was rare and in advance, I'm not interested in selling it. I'm more interested in its history.

 

[Peg Leg]

Old man,
I would love to see a photo of your gold coin-I really would.
Can you tell me anything about the coin like who the assayer was?
Thanks
Peg leg

 

[stevemc]

Peg Leg, I would like to see a picture of one of the 10 mint condition 2 escudos. Could you send me a pic of one of those? You have my email, Thanks, Steve.

 

[Peg Leg]

Stevemc,
I will provide some photos after the first of the year.
All my coins and trinkets are in a Safe deposit box in Texas.
When shipping settles down I will have 2 sent to me.
I never take the chance of shipping more than 2 at a time but most of the time it has been only 1. Yes I know all about Insurance but I also know all about how things get LOST ( lost my butt-more like stolen). It is a real hassle collecting insurance. UPS damaged a painting that was sent to me over 25 years ago and I have still not received a penny.
Later
Peg leg

 

[romeo-1]

This type of post is meaningless without pics? Why no pics?

 

[stevemc]

Peg Leg, when you send the pic of the mint 2 escudo, I would like to be able to see the G mint mark. I would really like to see a 2 escudo found on the Atocha with a S mint mark! Do you have that too? Steve.

 

[stevemc]

I meant the pic of their coin with the Seville mint mark, not that you had one! They made the gold coins with the mold from Seville but the assayers mark gives it away. They were made in Nuevo Reino de Granada in Santa Fe de Bogota. The assayer was Truillo(spelling?) and he used several letters for his assay and had letters sent to Spain telling them of this, I think 4 different ones, I do know he used S over F, and an A on the right side with an S on the left, off the top of my head. None of the Atocha coins were made in Spain, all new world. That is what the RN or NR was before and after the 1621 and 1622 stampings. Stood for Nuevo Reino. Steve. Peg leg, yours could be from Granada, Spain, which many, many were, but they would have come from Spain to over here, kind of not likely, but if you have some, I sure would like to see it.

 

[ronald99]

Darn it anyway,i spent all that money on my recently purchased minelab se,looking for them Spanish gold coins on brevard's beaches,and after reading Peg Legs post,Ive been searching the wrong state,time to sell the minelab,an get some C4 an head to the Lone Star State!!!!!! "HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYONE" Ronald99

 

[big joe]

Hey Grubstake, not to hijack the thread, but I'm a wrestling dad here as well... My son is a 10th grade 112lber.

 

[old man]

Peg Leg,
Here are the pictures of the gold coin that I said, I was going to post the other day. The pictures were too large as an attachment to post, so click on the links below to view.
Happy New Year to all.

 

[Peg Leg]

Old man,
These are great.
Can you tell me if the mint is an S (Seville).
Do you have anymore?
Could you send me a scan of the coin.
Just for my records.
Thanks
Peg leg

 

[old man]

Peg Leg,
Send me a private message with your e-mail address and I will send you some scans of the coin. Yes I do have other gold coins in my safety deposit box. If you want scans of those, you'll have to wait until the bank opens on Tuesday. Let me know.
Old Man

 

[Peg Leg]

Old man,
My email address is
dwebb27@cfl.rr.com

There seems to be some confusion concerning the Gold II escudos with the S mint mark.
All I am saying is what the Mel Fisher people are saying. They say that they recovered 150 of these gold coins from the ATOCHA. Do not jump my case because of what I was quoting. If you have a problem I suggest that you contact THEM and YES they are offering this coin for over $20,000.00 USD.
Now I see from Old man that he also has ONE of these coins.
This tells me just because some people say a coin is RARE and that is came from a certain location does not mean all that much even with PAPERWORK from those who are offering said coin for sale. One must also understand that not all ships that sunk were heading back to Spain.
Did you know that there were about 9,000 ships sunk during 300 years from Cuba and N. C. traveling in both directions?
Peg Leg

 

[old man]

Peg Leg,
Slow down Happy New Year. I am not putting you down. On the contrary. I just didn't think mygold coin was rare. I could be wrong. I'm not a coin expert. If it's worth that much, I'd sell mine for less.