Help! New Jersey Copper 16-J?

[ntgary]

Hello. Need some advice. Found this in a family estate we're dealing with. It had a note (written maybe 60 years ago) stating it was found in a area close to us (Ontario, Canada) that was a known battle ground during the war of 1812. I'm personally confident it is authentic.

Is this a valuable version of the NJ Copper family? Is it worth getting it graded?

(Note the coin is in waaay better shape than it appears in the pictures for some reason).

The markings under the plow are not a date as is shown in some of the coins I'm seeing. They are just some unknown markings.

 

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[Don in SJ]

It is one of the most common varieties, 1787 Maris 46-e. Not much value due to being so common.

1787 New Jersey Copper - Maris 46-e

Don

 

[ntgary]

Thanks. Can I ask how you were able to distinguish the variety? I must say however that the appearance of the horseshead on this coin seems to be closer to the 16-J horsehead, than the one you referenced. But, I do agree the shield points are closer to the one you noted.

Also, can I get a reference point on what you mean by "not much value"?
Thanks for the help.

 

[Don in SJ]

I don't know why you thought that it was not a date under the plow, it sure is 1787. I enhanced your photo.

 

[Don in SJ]

Thanks. Can I ask how you were able to distinguish the variety? I must say however that the appearance of the horseshead on this coin seems to be closer to the 16-J horsehead, than the one you referenced. But, I do agree the shield points are closer to the one you noted.

I looked at certain features, first the postion of the ears on the horse to the letter C. Second, the plow handles, the top handle is even with the lower part of N, third the end of the plow comes under the A, then a quick look at the points of the shield and saw the match. It is one of the most common varieties found in the ground, and overall in collections.

Also, since I saw 1787, that eliminated quite a few varieties.

Don

 

[ntgary]

Much thanks.

 

[jewelerguy]

awesome coin

 

[ntgary]

Ok, so here's an update - just for fun on the weekend I met up with someone who examined the coin and says it might be a 45-e. He said something about the outline.

 

[l.cutler]

No, as Don stated it is a 46-e. Don knows his New Jerseys. Just do an image search for each variety and look at the differences.

 

[jerseyben]

Ok, so here's an update - just for fun on the weekend I met up with someone who examined the coin and says it might be a 45-e. He said something about the outline.

If you're gonna question Don's ability to attribute NJ coppers, at least post clearer pics.

 

[Iron Patch]

Ok, so here's an update - just for fun on the weekend I met up with someone who examined the coin and says it might be a 45-e. He said something about the outline.

Someone could draw that conclusion if they only seen the reverse as both varieties shared the same die, but the 46-e obverse die is unique to that coin, and is very clearly what you have. I really don't know how someone could know enough to suggest one that is so close, but not understand this.

 

[oldsalty19]

 

[hogge]

Ok, so here's an update - just for fun on the weekend I met up with someone who examined the coin and says it might be a 45-e. He said something about the outline.

46-E. Took all of about 5 seconds to determine that it is NOT a 45-e. I'll grade it for ya.......G-4 "Damaged"--"Improperly Cleaned"------Value----about $20, (maybe)

 

[september]

Nice finds!!