Help with my first Trade Weight

[Stef45]

This is the first trade/apothecary weight. I know that dagger=London and/or England. But I've never seen one with two daggers. i can't quite make out the bottom symbol either, maybe a little lion or something..yall might be able to make it out. It weighs 1 oz. Maybe Cru or some of our english experts can figure it out. Thanks yall

 

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[Batch]

Good morning!

I would bet the Roman numeral 17 is the weight in Drams Avoirdupois...at one time a common druggist's unit of measurement. You state it weighs 1 ounce which is 16 Drams (advp). Allowing for scale accuracy (then and now) plus possible weight loss due to chemical reactions while in the ground, this is my bet. The illegible symbol could possibly be a "lion passant" or "Lion of England" since the daggers indicate same. Just my guesses, your mileage may vary.

Cool find in any case...I always think, "How did this get here?" whenever I pull something out of the ground. Probably what someone will think when they find the keys I lost in the woods a few years ago!

Happy hunting!

Batch

 

[CRUSADER]

I agree with apothecary weight that went into a fitted box.

Verification marks of this kind are usually on Trade weights but didn't usually have 2 swords. The bottom mark maybe a Lion or Ewer, but the mark you need to date it is missing, so more research is needed. Not in any of my books.

I would say the date range is Geo I - Geo III.

 

[Stef45]

Good morning!

I would bet the Roman numeral 17 is the weight in Drams Avoirdupois...at one time a common druggist's unit of measurement. You state it weighs 1 ounce which is 16 Drams (advp). Allowing for scale accuracy (then and now) plus possible weight loss due to chemical reactions while in the ground, this is my bet. The illegible symbol could possibly be a "lion passant" or "Lion of England" since the daggers indicate same. Just my guesses, your mileage may vary.

Cool find in any case...I always think, "How did this get here?" whenever I pull something out of the ground. Probably what someone will think when they find the keys I lost in the woods a few years ago!

Happy hunting!

Batch

Thanks for the info! I'm just excited to find my first one.

 

[Stef45]

I agree with apothecary weight that went into a fixed box.

Verification marks of this kind are usually on Trade weights but didn't usually have 2 swords. The bottom mark maybe a Lion or Ewer, but the mark you need to date it is missing, so more research is needed. Not in any of my books.

I would say the date range is Geo I - Geo III.

Thanks Cru! Yeah I've never seen one with two daggers. I haven't seen many examples from that time period with the little knob either. Wonder where I should look for more info

 

[CRUSADER]

Thanks Cru! Yeah I've never seen one with two daggers. I haven't seen many examples from that time period with the little knob either. Wonder where I should look for more info

Seen a lot with the little knob, like I say it was to pull it out from a fitted (I put fixed by accident) box.
Your best chance to find it was on the UKDFD site & its not on it. Your next best bet is to try here with various combo's;
https://finds.org.uk/database/search/advanced
However, they don't record that many items that are less than 300 years old.

 

[Stef45]

Seen a lot with the little knob, like I say it was to pull it out from a fitted (I put fixed by accident) box.
Your best chance to find it was on the UKDFD site & its not on it. Your next best bet is to try here with various combo's;
https://finds.org.uk/database/search/advanced
However, they don't record that many items that are less than 300 years old.

Ha yeah I've been looking at the site since last night. Have to have looked at at least 500 pictures haha. Saw one with a double dagger and they didn't really say anything about the double daggers tho.

 

[CRUSADER]

Ha yeah I've been looking at the site since last night. Have to have looked at at least 500 pictures haha. Saw one with a double dagger and they didn't really say anything about the double daggers tho.

The double dagger is a bit of a red herring, doesn't really help with the ID, as it should just have 1. Your looking for the XVII, Dagger, & Lion (or ewer) combo, along with the weight in grams. Bullion weight is an outside chance, but it would have to weight XVII pennyweight, & I've not tried the conversion rate to check.

 

[Stef45]

The double dagger is a bit of a red herring, doesn't really help with the ID, as it should just have 1. Your looking for the XVII, Dagger, & Lion (or ewer) combo, along with the weight in grams. Bullion weight is an outside chance, but it would have to weight XVII pennyweight, & I've not tried the conversion rate to check.

This one has the numeral/lion combo

 

[Stef45]

If its not a lion it might be a poorly struck ewer symbol rotated 90 degrees counter clockwise

 

[Silver Searcher]

Thanks Cru! Yeah I've never seen one with two daggers. I haven't seen many examples from that time period with the little knob either. Wonder where I should look for more info

There's actually a trade weight on the UKFD with three daggers on, classed as no provincial .? The knob you refer to is just a way of staking the weight with other weights.

SS

 

[CRUSADER]

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=a...zN7TAhVMJ8AKHT_IDvUQ_AUICygC&biw=1360&bih=662