Hunt 7-5-20

Tnmountains · Jul 5, 2020

Stopped and checked a few sites found a few keepers and grabbed some pottery and flakes to look at later.

1,2,3 just random worked flint
5.madison
4,13,14 stick incised pottery sherds
6 broke tip
7. shattered ear off of it
8 woodland triangle
9. ? Has basil flaking resharpened on right side might be a greenbriar?
11, think broken jacks reef pentagonal.

#7 seems to be this type?

Thanks for looking and any help on 7 and 9 appreciated. Found in S.E Tennessee.
HH

uniface · Jul 5, 2020

Since you asked, I think nr. 9 is a cornerr notch that kept being resharpened 'til it was a stub.

Garscale · Jul 5, 2020

Good stuff. The point with broken ear is sweet. One does look greenbriarish. I bet its a transitional point regardless of what we name it.

Tnmountains · Jul 5, 2020

Garscale said:
Good stuff. The point with broken ear is sweet. One does look greenbriarish. I bet its a transitional point regardless of what we name it.

Everything is out of context on these sites. I saw it and thought heavily resharpened.Bottom can be straight concave or bifurcate. Flake reduction for hafting on both sides in not real common later on here. Thanks for the replies.Always a guessing game with little clues ! https://www.projectilepoints.net/Points/Greenbrier.html

antmike915 · Jul 5, 2020

Nice finds TN, glad you were able to get out and find some.

Treasure_Hunter · Jul 5, 2020

Looks like a fun day.

IMAUDIGGER · Jul 5, 2020

Thanks for taking the time to lay that out like that.

old digger · Jul 6, 2020

''Way To Go!'' :thumbsup:

MAMucker · Jul 7, 2020

Great post! Can you ID those materials?

Tnmountains · Jul 7, 2020

MAMucker said:
Great post! Can you ID those materials?

Yes all but one. Most are typical bluish hornstone. but # 7 Fort Payne #2, 9 is a shiny black Knox flint #11 grey chalcedony #6 broken tip is really an unknown to me. It comes in a root beer color similar to KRF but not translucent it may also have black bands in it. I have only seen it in Tn Valley and top of Cumberland plateau and have a lot of it. It knaps like butter.

A member named Treefrog used to find the same stuff. It is always used on older points and never seen it in Mississippian times. Weird. Really would like to know what chert it is if any experts out there.

MAMucker · Jul 9, 2020

uniface said:
Since you asked, I think nr. 9 is a cornerr notch that kept being resharpened 'til it was a stub.

Maybe a corner notch that kept being resharpened ‘til it was a side-notch’. Wink wink.

If possible, I’d like to see a few more pics of that one. Although it’s used up, the flaking is very uniform.

Tnmountains · Jul 9, 2020

MAMucker said:
Maybe a corner notch that kept being resharpened ‘til it was a side-notch’. Wink wink.

If possible, I’d like to see a few more pics of that one. Although it’s used up, the flaking is very uniform.

Wink ! Lol. I have no idea that is why I asked you experts.Does this look like a side notch to you? Def used up. I have whole examples but imagine things can be resharpened down to resemble most anything. Thanks.

uniface · Jul 9, 2020

Nice material ! And a neat rust-colored streak in it.

Notice it's an accidental E-Notch from the way the shoulders were trimmed off.

I'd be happy to find that one.

IMHO, pretty obviously a Charleston point.

uniface · Jul 9, 2020

PS: no-brainer Charleston. Look at the first one pictured @ projectilepoints.net (top left, early stage example).

Notice the narrow notches, set low on the base (lower notches edges on yours are original notch remnants).

And the angle of them.

What you can't see in the picture but would if you had another late stage example in hand to compare yours to is that the dorsal side is bulby while the ventral side is flatter. The result after re-sharpening several times is that, as yours shows, both edges of the top are essentially beveled while the bottom isn't as much. That, with the chevron flaking and the pronounced basal thinning flakes, ID it.

uniface · Jul 9, 2020

http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/n...st-arrowhead-tell-its-use-open-posting-3.html

scroll down to the one I posted (bottom side only)

Tnmountains · Jul 9, 2020

uniface said:
http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/n...st-arrowhead-tell-its-use-open-posting-3.html

scroll down to the one I posted (bottom side only)

OMGosh that was us 11 years ago talking about it! haha. Damn you must be getting old! LOL I am just kidding with but yeah it does look similar to that point. Hey what do you think about projectile points I.D section?

uniface · Jul 9, 2020

For here ?

Tnmountains · Jul 9, 2020

projectilepointes.net. Their format is like the Audubon society field guides. They give you the black shape and then colored examples. What do you think of that site?

uniface · Jul 9, 2020

I think it's a valuable resource but they could move it closer to completion (lots of missing data) and probably delete some dubiously ID'd points to make it a great one.

Since you asked.

I was afraid you meant doing something like that here, and could see WW III breaking out over reproduction points alleged to be authentic ones. Bad juju for peace & harmony !

Tnmountains · Jul 9, 2020

uniface said:
I think it's a valuable resource but they could move it closer to completion (lots of missing data) and probably delete some dubiously ID'd points to make it a great one.

Since you asked.

I was afraid you meant doing something like that here, and could see WW III breaking out over reproduction points alleged to be authentic ones. Bad juju for peace & harmony !

Couple years ago thought about doing a data base here but really do not have the time it would deserve. But we sure have the knowledgeable members for it.