I am very disappointed...

[Peyton Manning]

G.I.B. I hope everyone would choose "a". The only thing about the attacker I would be concerned with is him rotting in you know where. Anyone care to tell me I am wrong on this? I sincerely hope no one has gone through this or ever goes through this. Again, anyone care to tell me I am wrong? I CHALLENGE anyone......

Dies, take a chill pill or something

 

[dieselram94]

Out of curiosity. If somebody entered your house and attacked you or your family....and you responded by shooting them in the chest...and they were completely incapacitated...would you put a bullet in that person's head to finish them off? Would you shoot them again in the heart? Would you delay calling 911 until that person died? There is a fine line between self defense and murder. Our constitution does not give us the right to murder.

Crisp

I would first tend to my family, then call 911. What ever happens to the attacker happens. Not murder.

 

[dieselram94]

Dies, take a chill pill or something

Nope, not to be taken lightly.....All to often the attacker gets off scott free!

 

[Peyton Manning]

I meant the challenging. I don't disagree with you

 

[dieselram94]

I'm switching sides again...now I am progun.

Criminals are defined based on societal norms and laws. As Hvacker and dejahpooh have pointed out, the action of being of MAN fundamentally gives us the right to rebel against or leave the society. Exile is not an option for people who have broken the laws of society and no longer have a desire to stay in it. The only other result is punishment...ie...prison. Our prisons are not rehab facilities; nor, in my opinion, should they be. My idea of a criminal may be fundamentally different from what others are. The laws of our government do not supercede the constitution and BoR. The BoR does not define criminals...that changes based on time and society. Slavery is a great example. Civil rights, women's rights, you know the drill. Therefore, what may be criminal at one moment can be totally legal the next. Hence, I reject labeling people as criminal as justification to deny them the right to bear arms.

Criminals serve their time and do their punishment. When they are returned to society they should be afforded the same basic rights of the BoR. Do we stop allowing criminals free speech? Do we stop letting criminals from having any of the other amendments? Cherry picking the 2nd amendment from criminals is fundamentally flawed.

If society does not want criminals to have access to guns then the solution is either the death penalty or life in prison for violent crimes. This would stop them from getting a gun again. Setting up parameters like 'mentally insane' or 'criminal' does nothing more then stigmatize individuals and chip away at the second amendment.

Crispin

I think sexual predators and violent criminals should never be allowed back in to society.....

 

[GoGoGopher]

And THIS is why I do not return to this site very often...Is this a metal detecting and treasure hunting site, or a political debate and flame war site

Just sayin'...

HH,

 

[dieselram94]

I meant the challenging. I don't disagree with you

I know, that post by G.I.B. kind of "struck a cord"

 

[dieselram94]

And THIS is why I do not return to this site very often...Is this a metal detecting and treasure hunting site, or a political debate and flame war site

Just sayin'...

HH,

Gopher, we are just having a discussion we may disagree but in the end we all stay respectful and friendly. You are in the everything else forum after all.

 

[Peyton Manning]

And THIS is why I do not return to this site very often...Is this a metal detecting and treasure hunting site, or a political debate and flame war site

Just sayin'...

HH,

well, maybe not all treasure is metal

 

[dejapooh]

Are you someone who believes in wealth transfer or what?

I believe that the market, left it itself, will not adequately distribute wealth to create and maintain a stable society and economy. I think history is VERY VERY clear about that. I think history is also very clear that adequate rewards for being better, smarter, and faster are also necessary. Wealth tends to concentrate in the hands of the powerful, and unchecked, that leads to what you see in many 3rd world countries, including high levels of social and political instability. There are ways to regulate the market that allows for the benefits of the economy to be shared and allows for rewards to concentrate to those who work harder and better adequately to provide incentives to succeed. Does that make me a Socialist to you?

 

[dejapooh]

And THIS is why I do not return to this site very often...Is this a metal detecting and treasure hunting site, or a political debate and flame war site

Just sayin'...

HH,

Read those posts... most of the Political ones are usually pretty clearly marked... If they are not, you can quickly realize what you are in for and go back to another thread...

 

[G.I.B.]

And THIS is why I do not return to this site very often...Is this a metal detecting and treasure hunting site, or a political debate and flame war site

Just sayin'...

HH,

The everything else section keeps all the elderly blue headed yankees busy till the snow melts, the ground thaws and they can go out detecting again.

 

[dieselram94]

I believe that the market, left it itself, will not adequately distribute wealth to create and maintain a stable society and economy. I think history is VERY VERY clear about that. I think history is also very clear that adequate rewards for being better, smarter, and faster are also necessary. Wealth tends to concentrate in the hands of the powerful, and unchecked, that leads to what you see in many 3rd world countries, including high levels of instability. There are ways to regulate that market that allows for the benefits of the economy to be shared, allows for rewards to concentrate to those who work harder and better adequately to provide incentive to succeed. Does that make me a Socialist to you?

No that alone does not make you a socialist, all societies need rule, laws, and some regulation. I think we can agree on this. I regards to your statement on wealth concentrating in the hands of the powerful and unchecked, is not necessarily an absolute. That being said means testing for "social" security in which all are required to pay is a socialistic view, regardless of which party puts it forward.

 

[dieselram94]

The everything else section keeps all the elderly blue headed yankees busy till the snow melts, the ground thaws and they can go out detecting again.

Not just the "elderly"!!!

 

[bill from lachine]

diesel,

We have the odd dust up....but generally come out unscathed at the end.....still doesn't stop me doing a sneak attack with some of my frozen snowballs when you least expect it....lol.

Regards + HH

Bill

Gopher, we are just having a discussion we may disagree but in the end we all stay respectful and friendly. You are in the everything else forum after all.

 

[Crispin]

The everything else section keeps all the elderly blue headed yankees busy till the snow melts, the ground thaws and they can go out detecting again.

GIB: What does that say about those of us that live in Florida? Especially, those of us who live in Florida who are not elderly...we must be completely nutso to participate.

 

[dieselram94]

diesel,

We have the odd dust up....but generally come out unscathed at the end.....still doesn't stop me doing a sneak attack with some of my frozen snowballs when you least expect it....lol.

Regards + HH

Bill

I'm ready for you Bill, my son has bean busy at work filling all my freezers with my arsenal

 

[bill from lachine]

Crispin/GIB,

I know this is supposed to be restricted to the 2A....but am I allowed to take the 5th on you 2 gentleman's opinion

 

[dieselram94]

Your the best at this Bill but in light of the snowballs and Gophers earlier post I thought this might be fitting![video=youtube;AO1BxB96ctg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=AO1BxB96ctg[/video]

 

[bill from lachine]

diesel,

Pretty good choice....heck there's still a chance for you yet.....I'll turn you into a crazy Canuck yet......lol.

Regards + HH

Bill