I felt the mean streak within me today

[SFBayArea]

Well, I was at one of my dump banks today and I heard this guy behind me asking tellers for half dollars and trying to order a box. I was at the time, packaging my dumps off to the side. I heard the man asking and I did not want to conversate with him at all. THen I heard him talking over my shoulder to me about me collecting half dollars. He saw my load of halves to dump. He honestly seemed like a nice guy and as much as I'm a nice guy, my mean streak showed. I really gave him a cold shoulder. I gave minimum answers as he was complaining about how bad boxes were. Yeah, I told him boxes weren't great either which is true however he saw that I had 4 boxes worth in bags to dump. I think he was in awe about it. He asked me how much I did a week, I said 4. He asked all these bothersome newbie type questions. Then he asked if I sell my finds or keep them. I said I keep them. What a pain. I can't stand competition in my area. The truth is if we are in the same area (at the same bank), there's no way I want to help my competition with this. Hopefully, he didn't get any ideas but he probably did. Just the 21 questions was annoying as hell. I honestly wanted to tell him to F#ck off but I did answer them in short form. Unfortunately.

I felt like the old gold prospector seeing some other prospector on my turf. Hands off my turf. If you want to prospect for silver, go east. Don't come round these here parts.

I'm actually a nice guy in real life. I'd probably help that guy out too with other stuff if he needed it but when it comes to getting halves at my bank that I go to, you're on your own. I felt the primal nasty streak in myself today. Like, I'm gonna help some random CRHer at one of my banks. If it was a bank out of my area, I wouldn't care but one of my banks that I frequent, good luck. Maybe if you want info, you give me info.. fair exchange and we can talk but seeing how he seems sort of new, he'd have little info to exchange.

The truth is that he is right, finds are slim. Half the boxes are skunks with others having a couple sprinkles. It's not like the dime boxes or penny boxes at all. Finds have been less and less. I now have to get 4 boxes a week to get a keeper while half to 3/4ths are skunks.

Anyone else bump into competition in your area? Ever feel the mean streak? It's just the 21 questions that was killing me. It's kinda like "hey, dude where can I get the gold at?" I think if there was enough for everyone like copper pennies and there was silver in every box, I would be fine with helping him but being that competition is high and the finds are less.. sorry dude you're on your own at this point in time.

 

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[ArkieBassMan]

I really see both sides of this one. While I would never share detailed good info (which banks consistently produce better than others, which banks obviously do not have silver searching tellers, how much I find, etc) I would have no problem whatsoever in sharing general info. I mean, when it comes to boxes, there really is no big secret. Order some boxes, pluck the silver, dump the clad and do it all over again. If its a newbie asking the questions, I would let him/her know the general "rules" of the game. We all had to learn the basics from someone and personally I have no problem passing that info forward.

I used to fish a lot of tournaments. I would always readily share info about techniques, baits, equipment, etc. What I would not share was locations. I quickly learned the best way to ruin a good fishin' hole was to talk about it.

There really is no "right" or "wrong" here in my opinion. If you want to share every single detail of your CRHing with someone or everyone, then you certainly have the right to do so. If you want to share nothing at all, you certainly have that right as well.

 

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[SFBayArea]

I really see both sides of this one. While I would never share detailed good info (which banks consistently produce better than others, which banks obviously do not have silver searching tellers, how much I find, etc) I would have no problem whatsoever in sharing general info. I mean, when it comes to boxes, there really is no big secret. Order some boxes, pluck the silver, dump the clad and do it all over again. If its a newbie asking the questions, I would let him/her know the general "rules" of the game. We all had to learn the basics from someone and personally I have no problem passing that info forward.

I used to fish a lot of tournaments. I would always readily share info about techniques, baits, equipment, etc. What I would not share was locations. I quickly learned the best way to ruin a good fishin' hole was to talk about it.

There really is no "right" or "wrong" here in my opinion. If you want to share every single detail of your CRHing with someone or everyone, then you certainly have the right to do so. If you want to share nothing at all, you certainly have that right as well.

We've all learned along the way from either someone else or our own experiences. I will say that one member here who searches not too far away has given me encouragement and we've shared info. I give him credit to tell me to not give up during the worst skunk streaks. To be fair, I have provided him info on where to get wine deals for dirt cheap prices. It works like that, you offer me something, I give you something. That is fair.

Somethings, I had learned by my own experiences. Some hard lessons. It did take time to get this system down. Not everyone agrees with it like me marking coins but it is all part of a system.

We're all here to share to some degree because it's a forum. But if I get some complete FNG asking me on this forum about my methods and he goes to the same banks I go to. Hmm.. How many people here are going to share their methods? Yes, giving generalized answers is fine but no specifics. As I have stated before, I don't mind sharing but just not with people in my area who go to the same banks I do.

 

[brewboss]

Lol " my own system"? Buy coins, pick out silver, dump coins! Great system. Lol its not rocket science.

 

[captainfwiffo]

CRHers tend to be pretty cutthroat, but game theory suggest there are some circumstances where cooperation or collusion among some players may get them better results. Certain collusion strategies (e.g. price fixing) have been outlawed for businesses, but coin roll hunting is still the wild west.

For example, if two hunters share information, they may get an advantage over other hunters who are operating solo. Or two hunters could cooperate to avoid each others' dumps, and dump at the favorite pick-up banks of a third hunter to reduce the amount of keepers the third guy pulls out of the area (or even drive him out of hunting altogether, reducing competition.)

 

[SFBayArea]

Lol " my own system"? Buy coins, pick out silver, dump coins! Great system. Lol its not rocket science.

It's more than that pal. typical newbie getting upset that someone has a system. Never said it was rocket science but I have read about rocket science. I have a Mech. Engineering degree. How long have you been doing this.. and how many posts do you have on this forum (pulled a page from Ugotit22's book)? I have my system and well, it's time for you to get yours. So far, mine is working.

 

[SFBayArea]

CRHers tend to be pretty cutthroat, but game theory suggest there are some circumstances where cooperation or collusion among some players may get them better results. Certain collusion strategies (e.g. price fixing) have been outlawed for businesses, but coin roll hunting is still the wild west.

For example, if two hunters share information, they may get an advantage over other hunters who are operating solo. Or two hunters could cooperate to avoid each others' dumps, and dump at the favorite pick-up banks of a third hunter to reduce the amount of keepers the third guy pulls out of the area (or even drive him out of hunting altogether, reducing competition.)

well said.. it's more than get your coins, search, and dump. It really is like the wild west out here. FNG's here just don't get it. They're the same people who dump at their own order bank.. shooting themselves in the foot. Believe me there are some real dumb people out there. They do exist and some that get into CRH ruin it for themselves and others.

 

[FIRE310]

CRHers tend to be pretty cutthroat, but game theory suggest there are some circumstances where cooperation or collusion among some players may get them better results. Certain collusion strategies (e.g. price fixing) have been outlawed for businesses, but coin roll hunting is still the wild west.

For example, if two hunters share information, they may get an advantage over other hunters who are operating solo. Or two hunters could cooperate to avoid each others' dumps, and dump at the favorite pick-up banks of a third hunter to reduce the amount of keepers the third guy pulls out of the area (or even drive him out of hunting altogether, reducing competition.)

well said.. it's more than get your coins, search, and dump. It really is like the wild west out here. FNG's here just don't get it. They're the same people who dump at their own order bank.. shooting themselves in the foot. Believe me there are some real dumb people out there. They do exist and some that get into CRH ruin it for themselves and others.

This, It requires a system, my wife has a hard time keeping up with dump and pickup locations, dates , times etc. Finds went up alot after working this system.

 

[brewboss]

Lol. I have an engineering degree so I'm the only person that really knows how to crh.". "you don't have many posts here so you couldn't possibly know what your doing". Calm down. I can assure you that if you are crh'ing that you are doing nothing more than buying coin, picking out the silver, and dumping. Thats it. Apparently you think it is rocket science. If you think it is, you've got serious issues. I'd bet that the majority of the members here have not much more than a highs school education......... And a lot more silver. Grow up little man and learn how to treat people. It's really not that difficult. Perhaps you could get a degree in humanity?

 

[clovis97]

It did take time to get this system down.

I agree 100%.

I've been CRH for a relatively short time, when compared to the old timers here.

Just this week, I finally had the feeling that I finally started to get my system down. It is the first time that I've felt like everything was natural and 'gelled', if you will.

I've still got a long way to go, and still tons to learn, but I feel like I finally hit a new plateau.

 

[50centman]

I've been talking about this for years on this forum. You might think this is simple, but if you really want to figure it out, you have to have a system and be willing to adjust to changes in the system as time goes on. Building key relationships is crucial to continued success and a cheerful manor is more important than you might think.

 

[SFBayArea]

Lol. I have an engineering degree so I'm the only person that really knows how to crh.". "you don't have many posts here so you couldn't possibly know what your doing". Calm down. I can assure you that if you are crh'ing that you are doing nothing more than buying coin, picking out the silver, and dumping. Thats it. Apparently you think it is rocket science. If you think it is, you've got serious issues. I'd bet that the majority of the members here have not much more than a highs school education......... And a lot more silver. Grow up little man and learn how to treat people. It's really not that difficult. Perhaps you could get a degree in humanity?

Little man? Who is the one that comes here to insult people, starting off by telling senior members here that they are pathetic? Willing to bet most members here have not much more than high school education? Hypocrite? Apparently you are a FNG on this forum too because you can get kicked out for that language here on this board by the moderators. There's a system here on TNET too and they can block you from insulting others here. You can claim all you want, but most veteran searchers here have a system making your claims baseless.

 

[SFBayArea]

Hell, you get your penny boxes, I get mine.. all productive boxes..

not exactly; i've gotten your penny boxes twice!

how do you know? what bank did you go to?

reused, zinc-filled, plastic wrappers in string boxes along the real. who else could it be?

Agro.. I usually don't bring in plastic wrapped rolls in string boxes. Usually they're in Brinks boxes like the way I got them. Every so often, I will use string boxes but not usually. It's usually because I get Brinks boxes more often.

 

[brewboss]

And you've got a sense of humor too! You're the one dropping the FNG, so you're breaking the rules. Maybe you'll take not of that. As I said, a bit of common decency would do you good.

 

[legend76]

Can't we all just get along? LOL.

 

[Rakattack]

System? I just search boxes and dump 'em, feels perfectly gelled to me
On another note, does it really take a high count poster to be a "master" coin roll hunter?
Someone who has been coin roll hunting for 10+ years with a perfectly good "system" whatever it may be
could join this forum today. Would that make him a "newb"?

 

[65gt350]

Less than 20 months ago you were the “FNG” here asking all the questions and boasting on how you are punishing the greedy tellers. Have you ever noticed that some soldiers don't lose the “FNG” title?

Where is the harm in a guy asking you a few questions at your dump bank? If it was your pickup bank I could see why you wouldn't answer the questions but at least you would have an excuse of needing to get the boxes out of there.

Like a few posters have said. A little courtesy will go a long way. Control your mean streak and the silver will follow.

HH
65GT350

 

[papa1956e9]

System? I just search boxes and dump 'em, feels perfectly gelled to me
On another note, does it really take a high count poster to be a "master" coin roll hunter?
Someone who has been coin roll hunting for 10+ years with a perfectly good "system" whatever it may be
could join this forum today. Would that make him a "newb"?

Is that what you call me?

 

[SFBayArea]

Less than 20 months ago you were the “FNG” here asking all the questions and boasting on how you are punishing the greedy tellers. Have you ever noticed that some soldiers don't lose the “FNG” title?

Where is the harm in a guy asking you a few questions at your dump bank? If it was your pickup bank I could see why you wouldn't answer the questions but at least you would have an excuse of needing to get the boxes out of there.

Like a few posters have said. A little courtesy will go a long way. Control your mean streak and the silver will follow.

HH
65GT350

Rich, if you went back and read the post about punishing greedy tellers.. it was a hypothetical question. Brought up to discuss dealing with tellers who show keepers and in my case lied about it. The point really about was that the teller was lying to me which led me to bring up the hypothetical question of complaining to management. Could've just said that she was keeping them for herself. There have been both supporters and non-supporters of that issue since and I've read that the issue has been raised again here since like many other threads on this forum. People have a short memory.

Rich, we have both discussed what we think are the better boxes in our areas before and where to dump. My guess is that due to the increased competition of late that you no longer want to share any more info which is fine. I wouldn't blame you. Yes, we have shared info. I trust that you will keep that info between you and I.

If you read my older posts, I have been doing this for over 10 years when silver was $4.00/oz. I had 40%ers that dealers told me they would only pay $0.55 for each. Am a I a FNG in this hobby? LOL .

I was ordering boxes of halves when I only knew of me as the only person doing it in my area at least in terms of what the tellers have told me. Now they say that they have a bunch of people asking for them all the time. Rich, Yes I am appreciative of the encouragement and info that you have provided me since I joined the board. I hadn't had the system fully down before as I have now. I simply cannot divulge everything. However since we have exchanged info in the past, I don't mind doing so with you. I would still consider our relationship here as a positive one.

Even certain questions I have posted on this board are questions to test the waters so to speak, not necessarily because I am "new". I just cannot go into it.

The only question that I needed to know to keep going in this hobby is whether the sorting facilities cull the keepers. Like I said, I've been doing this for a long time and in the beginning the skunk boxes are very few. Since my move back to this area, I experienced a string of skunks that led me to this forum and have asked members here about that. That was the key question that had to be answered as this question is always raised by people here.

Rich, There was harm in what he saw. I cannot elaborate on that at least openly on this board. A really smart guy could figure it out. If you must know, PM me but you have to agree to share info with me too.

In my years of doing that, the truth is that the numbers have gone down. I took a break from it for a couple years up here as I was doing it in San Diego area and was shocked that I got a bunch of skunk boxes when I picked it back up in this area. Like I've said before, skunk boxes were not common when I first started. It's not uncommon anymore. I keep track of these things on Excel and yes, there has been a noticeable decrease in numbers last few years.

Yes, it would be nice if we can all get along. However, we live in a selfish world. How do I know that if I give out info, people will exploit it? I am not a big fish in the world of CRH but I am strong in voicing my opinions and need to protect we what little I got. Basically, it's the same as the United States giving China the "most favored trade status" country title. Look, where we are now. All the jobs have gone to China and India. We're a good country and a generous one but look where that gets us in the long run. Are we going to give our top secrets to China because we want to get along?

You guys go share with people that go to your bank. See where that ends up. All I know is that people have taken boxes before from where I've ordered. Probably five years from now, boxes will have 75% skunk ratio. Just don't shoot yourselves in the foot in the long run.

Rattack, I have seen your stats from last year. Thanks for posting them. All, I can say is that I have my system and so far it is working for me. I cannot say much more than that. You can just do your basic pick up and dump routine which is fine by me.

 

[legend76]

On a lighter note, i went to the silver coin calculator on coinflation.com and with Ag at $4/oz, a 40% half was worth 59 cents and a 90%er $1.45...........

 

[SFBayArea]

On a lighter note, i went to the silver coin calculator on coinflation.com and with Ag at $4/oz, a 40% half was worth 59 cents and a 90%er $1.45...........

Yeah, but the dealer would only offer me $0.55 at the time (dealers have to get their cut). LOL I thought about putting them back in the wild at the time but fortunetly I did keep the majority of them. I did remember selling a few rolls back then for $13.50 per $10 roll of 40%ers. I had someone ask me to give him a full roll with the year with the lowest mintage. Not that those mintages were low. LOL