I got a coin...I think....Possibly Roman??? Help

[*Dig-Dug*]

I found this coin today. It is just a shade smaller in circumfrance from a US Quarter. It is wafer thin. I'll try to get better pics later but this is the best I could do for now. I know nothing about Roman coins so this may just be wishful thinking on my part. Here is what I see...The Obverse has a figure of what appears to be a male with flowing hair, Olive branch crown, and the clothing appears to be similar to a toga. The reverse of the coin has a picture of a lion. Both sides of the coin have writing that appears to be Latin. Below the lion there appears to be Roman numerals (a date?). I cannot wait for you coin experts to tell me I got something special (it's still special even if it turns out to be nothin') thanks for looking and providing your input. - Joe

 

[DCMatt]

Here are some clues. I still think jetton but could be a medillion.

LVD XV = Louis XV (15th) was King of France from 1715 to 1774.

D = DEI
G = GRATIA
FRET = ?
NAV = ?
REX = King

D = DEI
G = GRATIA
FR = France
ET = AND
NAV = NAVARRE
REX = King
Louis XV, King of France and Navarre

DCMatt

 

[CRUSADER]

Here are some clues. I still think jetton but could be a medillion.

LVD XV = Louis XV (15th) was King of France from 1715 to 1774.

D = DEI
G = GRATIA
FRET = ?
NAV = ?
REX = King

D = DEI
G = GRATIA
FR = France
ET = AND
NAV = NAVARRE
REX = King
Louis XV, King of France and Navarre

DCMatt

So I'm not crazy. Thanks for filling in the gaps.

 

[*Dig-Dug*]

sorry guys I did not mean for folks to get cross over this. I do appreciate everyone's input which continues to be very informative. It looks like close to being a posative ID?? Thank's again. - Joe

 

[CRUSADER]

sorry guys I did not mean for folks to get cross over this. I do appreciate everyone's input which continues to be very informative. It looks like close to being a posative ID?? Thank's again. - Joe

Its no fault of yours & you have no need to apologise. I should have kept my teddies in the cot, but I have been extremely stressed at work & I don't expect it when I'm home trying to help people on here. A lot of my knowledge & experience is built on intuition & I often put down thoughts to lead others. If my thoughts are wrong, so be it.

Sorry for sounding off on your post. Its not my usual way, but I will leave it for TK to read. Or will delete it if you like?

 

[*Dig-Dug*]

No need to delete the post. I like and understand the passion from both sides based on personal experience and expertise. I probably would get caught up as well if I were discussing American Civil War relics which I feel is my specialty. Like you, I will gladly acknowledge when I'm wrong but one may have to convince me first. European relics are new to me so I want all the info I can get. Keep it coming.

 

[CRUSADER]

No need to delete the post. I like and understand the passion from both sides based on personal experience and expertise. I probably would get caught up as well if I were discussing American Civil War relics which I feel is my specialty. Like you, I will gladly acknowledge when I'm wrong but one may have to convince me first. European relics are new to me so I want all the info I can get. Keep it coming.

Thanks, I always happy to help.

 

[DCMatt]

The medal helps - i think we are close. The writing on the left Obverse appears to be a date (the medallion translates to LVDXIIIIDG = 1069 and the coin LVDXVDG = 1070) what is confusing on both dates is the G at the end of each. G is not a numeric letter. I don't think the coin is from that era but commemorates something or someone from that time.

The writing to the right Obverse are matches for both coin and medal. FRETNAVREX (the REX part I believe means KING)

I still have found nothing remotely resembling the writing or picture on the reverse.

after looking further the reverse writing appears to be ***(possibly a 4th*)RT(or E)IS IN VICTVS IN A*MS

the markings under the lion remain as originally posted.

Keep the ideas coming please

How about "Propriis invictus in armis" ? (Undefeated in War)? Not 100% sure of my translation...

So I'm not crazy. Thanks for filling in the gaps.

I didn't say that...

DCMatt

 

[Silver Searcher]

Hi....I think it might be a coin of Leopold1 of Belgum 1831-65, note your picture shows serated dots runing around the coin, this was used so that blind people could tell it was a coin, I don't think you find this on Jettons I might be wrong. How ever I did manage to find a picture of a Silver jetton of Leopold1. Hope this helps a bit

Why? The lettering is all wrong to be Leopold I

No it's not..... fretnavrex top right of the picture I posted, don't forget it's a picture of a jetton I posted.And the portait is very similar, also note (no all) that I put might be

I don't know why your cross. I too, am not in the mood for name calling. As I am the first to admit when I am wrong & I am wrong a lot. So if your that bothered, I would prefer you don't reply to me again & I will do the same. Now we have that cleared up I will exaplain my logic:
I was using the same logic as this site (other than I guess FRET was a latin shorthand & it was FR ET):
http://www.worldwide-numismatics.com/page France 1.htm

This coin's obverse pictures King Louis XVI (b1765-d1793). His bust is encircled by the Latin legend LUD-XVI-D-G FR-ET-NAV-REX

The copied above would imply that his possible jetton is King Louis (LUD) & the XV was the 15th.

See my second post for my best guess.

None of the portraits on your link face the same way as the portrait on the original post mine does, and I shall not reply to any your posts in the future, this is not the first time you have wound me up, END OF STORY. and it's a COIN.

 

[CRUSADER]

The medal helps - i think we are close. The writing on the left Obverse appears to be a date (the medallion translates to LVDXIIIIDG = 1069 and the coin LVDXVDG = 1070) what is confusing on both dates is the G at the end of each. G is not a numeric letter. I don't think the coin is from that era but commemorates something or someone from that time.

The writing to the right Obverse are matches for both coin and medal. FRETNAVREX (the REX part I believe means KING)

I still have found nothing remotely resembling the writing or picture on the reverse.

after looking further the reverse writing appears to be ***(possibly a 4th*)RT(or E)IS IN VICTVS IN A*MS

the markings under the lion remain as originally posted.

Keep the ideas coming please

How about "Propriis invictus in armis" ? (Undefeated in War)? Not 100% sure of my translation...

So I'm not crazy. Thanks for filling in the gaps.

I didn't say that...

DCMatt

OK, I will give you that one

 

[ivan salis]

seems we getting a id --- the roman letter u was v shaped --folks always go nuts on peace dollars -- oh looky it says TRVST instead of trust --a rare mint error I'm rich --tilll I tell em its the normal way a roman "u" was written --see all the rest of them --now find me a normal "u" and you got sumpin.

 

[CRUSADER]

http://cgi.ebay.com.hk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=350089774933

http://www.anythinganywhere.com/commerce/exo/fra-jetons.htm

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/AC-STUNNING-FRENCH-JETON-of-LOUIS-XV-1743_W0QQitemZ140267156924QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item140267156924&_trkparms=72%3A12|39%3A1|66%3A2|65%3A12|240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

http://members.aol.com/jetonsdusacre/vivatrex/louis15.htm

http://cgi.ebay.ie/AMIRAL-de-Penthi...photoQQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1742.m153.l1262

Above are some jetons of Loius XV, some with the same inscription but none with the exact lion reverse.

I have spent some time looking for your exact Jeton. I can not find it for sale anywhere on the web. I Don't know if this means its too common to bother selling or very rare. Might be worth sending a picture to an expert jeton collector/dealer to get it IDed.

The following French gold coin has the same inscription: (its common on jetons & gaming tokens to have inscriptions of known gold coins). I believe it not to be a coin due to the lack of date & there is no match for the Louis XV coins I have seen.

The Louis d'or under Louis XV had a dimension of +/- 24 mm, and a weight of 8.16 g. Recto: the king's head turned to the right with the motto "LVD XV DG - FR ET NAV REX" ("Louis XV, king of France et of Navarre by the grace of God"). Verso: the royal monogram (4 double "L"s surmounted by a crown with fleur de lis and the motto "CHRS REGN VINC IMP" ("Christ reigns, defeats and commands"). Engraver: Norbert Roettiers (1703-1748)

 

[bputt]

Please email me bputt6@hotmail.com I found a very worn coin exactly like this one on the coastline in Lewes, De this weekend. Interested to hear if you found anything more about it. thanks!

 

[Iron Patch]

Please email me bputt6@hotmail.com I found a very worn coin exactly like this one on the coastline in Lewes, De this weekend. Interested to hear if you found anything more about it. thanks!

yep, a jeton. No question.