I tried it..

aarthrj3811 said:
The word physical infers tangible "real" types of stuff. You know, the kind of stuff that is talked about in high school physics books.

With that in mind, I guess you are telling me these signal lines you witnessed are measurable by physical conventional measuring instruments like voltmeters or ammeters or gaussmeters?

Or are these signal lines only measurable with dowsing rods? In that case, you are still dealing with mental dowsing.


Sorry Jerry...You will have to read a high school Physics book to answer that. I don't even know if you can measure them with a set of dowsing rods. The only thing I know is that these lines can be found and followed. So I will continue to look for them, follow them, dig where my rods tell me to and take the objects home. It makes no difference to me if Science say's this can not be done for I know it can....Art
And here goes Art again, ignoring the most basic scientific findings and pretending he holds the secret to the universe that everyone else is searching for.

Delusions of grandeur, anyone?
 

Test
With the dowser, the dowser-observer, and the concealer-observer behind their respective screens, the concealer should hide the target at a selected location. The concealer should not proceed directly to the selected location, but should start at one end of the target line and stop at every location. If the target is to be hidden under an object such as a brick, then each brick should be picked up and replaced. If the target is to be buried, each location should have it's dirt disturbed in a like manner. The reason for this is to provide complete consistency for each "hide", and to ensure that each location has been equally disturbed and not just the one containing the target. The concealer-observer does not need to observe this part of the test.
The concealer now proceeds to his screen and signals the dowser. With the dowser-observer watching and the concealer and concealer-observer behind their screen, the dowser determines where the target is located. The dowser-observer records the result and the dowser verifies the recorded result, both in permanent ink. Verbal silence should be maintained. They both return to their screen area.
Now the concealer-observer emerges and determines the target location. Like the procedure to hide the target, the concealer-observer should start at one end and check each location. When the target is found the concealer-observer should note the location. The remaining locations should still be checked even after the target is recovered to (1) maintain consistency and (2) ensure that the concealer did not hide more than one target. The concealer-observer records the location in permanent ink and the concealer verifies the recorded result. The concealer-observer returns to the screen area and the process is repeated until all 10 runs are complete.
Is this what you would call an Information Leak...Someone knows where the target is hidden...Art
 

Yes, any Dowsing test area, has to be clear of all other signals, which is virtually impossible. Unless your objects that are hidden are of sufficient size to create a stronger signal, and rise up above surrounding signal strengths, don't attempt.
 

aarthrj3811 said:
Test
With the dowser, the dowser-observer, and the concealer-observer behind their respective screens, the concealer should hide the target at a selected location. The concealer should not proceed directly to the selected location, but should start at one end of the target line and stop at every location. If the target is to be hidden under an object such as a brick, then each brick should be picked up and replaced. If the target is to be buried, each location should have it's dirt disturbed in a like manner. The reason for this is to provide complete consistency for each "hide", and to ensure that each location has been equally disturbed and not just the one containing the target. The concealer-observer does not need to observe this part of the test.
The concealer now proceeds to his screen and signals the dowser. With the dowser-observer watching and the concealer and concealer-observer behind their screen, the dowser determines where the target is located. The dowser-observer records the result and the dowser verifies the recorded result, both in permanent ink. Verbal silence should be maintained. They both return to their screen area.
Now the concealer-observer emerges and determines the target location. Like the procedure to hide the target, the concealer-observer should start at one end and check each location. When the target is found the concealer-observer should note the location. The remaining locations should still be checked even after the target is recovered to (1) maintain consistency and (2) ensure that the concealer did not hide more than one target. The concealer-observer records the location in permanent ink and the concealer verifies the recorded result. The concealer-observer returns to the screen area and the process is repeated until all 10 runs are complete.

Is this what you would call an Information Leak...Someone knows where the target is hidden...Art
Whne you're speaking of a test target, someone will always know where the target is hidden, Art. The difference between this example and the ones prior is that there was commuinication and actual directions given to the dowser.

The example given above is a fairly well-written description of a double-blind study. In this case, the observer and the dowser were on the scene at the same time, separate from the one doing the hiding.

Care was taken to make sure that each possible location was disturbed in the same manner to insure that there would be no tell-tale clues left to this effect, and the results were not disclosed until all 10 trials were complete.

There are only a couple of changes that I can see.

First, reduce the number of people participating. Remember, too many cooks.....
Just a hider, a dowser, an observer and a silent watchman.

First, have all three survey the test area and obtain agreement that the set-up is agreeable to all.

The observer and dowser leave the area entirely, leaving the hider. The hider will then hide the target, making sure to leave no visible clues. He will keep a record of the location he hid the target for each run and keep this record with him. The hider will then leave the area.

The dowser will then come out, check each location and record where he thinks the target is, keeping this record with him. The dowser will then leave the area without turning any stones to check his guesses.

The observer will then come out, turn each stone, locate the target and record this. He will take his record with him and leave the area.

The hider will then come out, and the whole thing will start again.

During all of this, the silent watchman will be on scene, preferably behind a two-way mirror, to record any questionable behavior.

This routine will prevent any party from trying to manipulate the results and give an accurate record without worry that any information was passed from one party to the next.
 

dowser said:
Yes, any Dowsing test area, has to be clear of all other signals, which is virtually impossible. Unless your objects that are hidden are of sufficient size to create a stronger signal, and rise up above surrounding signal strengths, don't attempt.
Perfect example of a lame dowser excuse that someone would try to use after the test is completed to explain their failure.

Fine, have the dowser walk through the test area first to make sure there are no "cross-signals" to confuse him later. Or, use a very large target that can still be easily concealed.

Any other excuses that need to be brought to light before the testing starts?
 

Dell Winders said:
All he's got are pictures of rocks, so I guess he'd like to see some pictures of actual dowsed treasure. Tell you what, Dell, next time I got some time to waste, I'll dowse up some rocks to show you. In the meantime, will this do?

That's Great Jerry. Now you are speaking on dowsing in a manner that we can all relate to.

Were you the person who dowsed the physical field location of the Gem stones, and were you the person who recovered them at that location?

Did you Dowse and find them all at one location,or were each of the recovered from seperate sites?

What Dowsing tool did you use (if any) and how was it applied?

Reckon Boo is going to accept that you found the pictured gemstone by Dowsing?

Do you have the ability to just point your finger at a particular spot and when you dig is the target you seek always there?

You have peaked my interest. I am interested in learning your Dowsing method and how you made the recoveries.

Got any more? Dell
I finally figured it out!

I figured out the reason all you dowsers are so convinced that dowsing works!!

You see, Dell, the stones Jerry pictured aren't gemstones, they're semi-precious as best, mostly polished colored rocks. Not every plain average rock is a gem.

Is that what you thought you found before, Dell? That the rocks with the drawings were actually gemstones? It all makes sense now!
 

I saw some of those down at my local rock and gem shop, Art. How much did you pay for yours?
Gee af....We don't have a rock shop here....There are free rocks every where around here. Some even have gold in them....Art
 

I was hanging out with some people and they started talking about dowsing.
I had never put much thought into it before but, this guy said "It works, you should try it"
(This other guy had recently showed him how he could find water.)
He handed me some straightened out coat hangers bent to an L shape,
showed me how to hold them loosely and told me to walk slowly into the yard watching the rods.

I didn't get to far into the yard when the rods slowly crossed. He said now, look down.
All I saw was a sprinkler head off to the side. He then said look to your right....another sprinkler head.... the rods had crossed over the hose that connected them.

Sooo.....now I'm more curious, I backed up slowly and the Rods uncrossed. I moved back in and they crossed again. then I thought 'I wonder if I could find gold (AKA Wold in some forums here Granted this is no scientific test or anything but, I took off a gold ring that I had on and placed it on the table outside. I said OK, now I'm looking for gold and walked in the direction where I placed the ring but looking at the rods. Again they crossed over the ring this time but not as obviously as when over the water line. again they uncrossed when I backed up.
Interesting....These people are trying to protect you from the evil boogie man....Practice is the answer. There is a lot of information here...Art
 

aarthrj3811 said:
I saw some of those down at my local rock and gem shop, Art. How much did you pay for yours?
Gee af....We don't have a rock shop here....There are free rocks every where around here. Some even have gold in them....Art
You mean you have free rocks just lying around on the ground? That's amazing!

You know, I've talked to some silly people that claim you have to walk around with bent coathangers in order to find these free rocks. Strange, huh? ;D

I've tried to tell them you just have to pick the rocks up, but they insist that they can't find them without the coathangers.
 

af1733 said:
Jeff,
Dowsers want to argue with skeptics. They could avoid it entirely, and sooner or later the skeptics would go away, but they have no desire to stop. They feel that if they continue to argue for dowsing, that keeps dowsing somehow important and alive. No matter how many posts you delete or threads you move, this will continue on here because that's the way dowsers want it.

this I am aware of :D
 

Watching skeptics try to prove Dowsing doesn't work, is humorous to me. Keep on arguing!!
 

jeff of pa said:
af1733 said:
Jeff,
Dowsers want to argue with skeptics. They could avoid it entirely, and sooner or later the skeptics would go away, but they have no desire to stop. They feel that if they continue to argue for dowsing, that keeps dowsing somehow important and alive. No matter how many posts you delete or threads you move, this will continue on here because that's the way dowsers want it.

this I am aware of :D
;) :)
 

Wow, this was what I thought was going to be a simple post on a simple subject.
It was meant to pass along info on my basic intro to a basic Dowsing concept.

......I tried it, it was interesting......


* NOT *
Pennywise VS So and So
 

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Wetgreenie said:
Wow, this was what I thought was going to be a simple post on a simple subject.
It was meant to pass along info on my basic intro to a basic Dowsing concept.

......I tried it, it was interesting......


* NOT *
Pennywise VS So and So
Nothing's simple when it comes to dowsing, unfortunately.

Curious, did you read the posts about the double blind tests that were proposed? What was your impression of them?
 

I did not as of yet.

;)....... Shhhhh, I'm at work....... ;)

I do hope to look into them later from a standpoint of being curious.
I'm not one to get all wacked out trying to prove anything though.

Well, that is unless / until I get as passionate as you guys.


:o Yikes!! WTF ???
I believe a little blind faith can go a long way.​
 

dowser said:
Watching skeptics try to prove Dowsing doesn't work, is humorous to me. Keep on arguing!!
Watching dowsers dodge tests that would conclusively prove dowsing is on par with guessing is amusing, as well....
 

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