Is this authentic kepi?

[chirper97]

Is this an authentic Civil War kepi?

 

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[Montana Jim]

I've been looking at period hear gear from that era and your's looks authentic and aged... it resembles mid to late 1800 slouch (kepi) hats but has a different construction.

Here is one to check out while I keep looking for one that's closer to your in construction.

There are three pics... and a pretty hafty pricetag too. http://www.themanualofarms.com/store/comersus_viewItem.asp?idProduct=329&image=2

 

[chirper97]

Thanks Montana Jim!

I plan to display it better at home!

 

[Montana Jim]

I'd think it was an original... until I knew for sure I'd treat it like an authentic era military uniform cap. As you can see, the value - or at least the price tag, is worth a few gallons of gas!

The history chirper found of the unit is awesome... and may add value... too bad there in no name inside of it!

 

[chirper97]

That has got to be one of the BEST pieces I have EVER seen ....

Incredible & Righteous ... Nick

Appreciate the comment, Nick

Tim

 

[BuckleBoy]

I agree with Jim 100%--this is an old piece, I'm almost certain. Quite a beauty!


Best Wishes,



Buckleboy

 

[chirper97]

Appreciate all the informative and kind posts.

 

[deathhare]

Im skeptical...
I think the obvious detail showing its modern would be the existence of vent holes on each side, right?
Do CW caps really have those? Ive never seen one that did but I'm no expert here.
Anyone?

 

[hogge]

I don't think it is Civil War era...but maybe later 19th century. Civil War era clothes were hand made and hand stitched and this one is not. It is machine stitched and have reservations about the vents on the side as to Civil War era. Sorry, but I'd say DEFINITELY NOT Civil War Era. Even if made on an "Early" sewing machine the stitches are too neat and tight for that. There also does not appear to have any wear marks from the Regiment Emblem on the front.

 

[Montana Jim]

I keep thinking it looks more like another type of cap but can't place it...

 

[pippinwhitepaws]

I keep thinking it looks more like another type of cap but can't place it...

i have the same feeling on this...mexican? the cut is late 1800'...japanese that someone changed the buttons and badge?

turn that sweat band inside out and see if there is a mark...?

 

[hogge]

I keep thinking it looks more like another type of cap but can't place it...

Almost looks like a pullmans or pursers cap on a train

 

[chirper97]

After researching American military hats, I have discovered that this kepi is ca 1895, not Civil War material.

Here is a linked page with photo and description:
http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/VKLRtXA7BR2pWyyD1yf11w?authkey=YRixaW8MGaA&feat=directlink

Here is the source 8 meg file detailing and illustrating the history of U.S. uniforms; a wonderful resource! The link above was extracted from this web publication.
http://www.history.army.mil/html/museums/uniforms/survey_uwa.pdf

see page 39 for my kepi.

I am disappointed this kepi is not Civil War vintage, but I will continue treasure it, and will attempt to get more relevant history of the regiment.
115 yrs old, and in great condition; wish it could talk!

Thanks to all treasure net members who shared this exploration with me.

ex animo!

 

[pippinwhitepaws]

i would not be too disappointed...sweet cap, great period of American history...

 

[deathhare]

After researching American military hats, I have discovered that this kepi is ca 1895, not Civil War material.

Here is a linked page with photo and description:
http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/VKLRtXA7BR2pWyyD1yf11w?authkey=YRixaW8MGaA&feat=directlink

The hat you linked to is not the same hat. Although it has most of the same details and is the same shape, its not the same hat.
Spacing of things are quite different along with other dissimilarities if you compare. (BTW, I'm not referring to the brass insignia at all. That is obviously different and means nothing as I'm sure there were many used)
The hat in this thread is likely a copy of the hat you linked though.
Good detective work.

 

[Montana Jim]

After researching American military hats, I have discovered that this kepi is ca 1895, not Civil War material.

Here is a linked page with photo and description:
http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/VKLRtXA7BR2pWyyD1yf11w?authkey=YRixaW8MGaA&feat=directlink

The hat you linked to is not the same hat. Although it has most of the same details and is the same shape, its not the same hat.
Spacing of things are quite different along with other dissimilarities if you compare. (BTW, I'm not referring to the brass insignia at all. That is obviously different and means nothing as I'm sure there were many used)
The hat in this thread is likely a copy of the hat you linked though.
Good detective work.

I say it IS the same hat... maybe a different manufacturer, but the same dang hat: The Model 1895 Enlisted Men's Forage Cap. (Called Kepis in modern day only, they were never called them Kepis during the era).


See this link for pictures... I can't post them here due to copyrights.

http://1-22infantry.org/history/pillbox.htm

 

[hogge]

After researching American military hats, I have discovered that this kepi is ca 1895, not Civil War material.

Here is a linked page with photo and description:
http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/VKLRtXA7BR2pWyyD1yf11w?authkey=YRixaW8MGaA&feat=directlink

The hat you linked to is not the same hat. Although it has most of the same details and is the same shape, its not the same hat.
Spacing of things are quite different along with other dissimilarities if you compare. (BTW, I'm not referring to the brass insignia at all. That is obviously different and means nothing as I'm sure there were many used)
The hat in this thread is likely a copy of the hat you linked though.
Good detective work.

I say it IS the same hat... maybe a different manufacturer, but the same dang hat: The Model 1895 Enlisted Men's Forage Cap. (Called Kepis in modern day only, they were never called them Kepis during the era).


See this link for pictures... I can't post them here due to copyrights.

http://1-22infantry.org/history/pillbox.htm

You got it. Nice work......and it is the same hat!

 

[chirper97]

I have sent a query to the U.S. Army military history site http://www.history.army.mil/inquire.html

inquiring about the 61st regiment, in the period 1895-1902.

 

[deathhare]

After researching American military hats, I have discovered that this kepi is ca 1895, not Civil War material.

Here is a linked page with photo and description:
http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/VKLRtXA7BR2pWyyD1yf11w?authkey=YRixaW8MGaA&feat=directlink

The hat you linked to is not the same hat. Although it has most of the same details and is the same shape, its not the same hat.
Spacing of things are quite different along with other dissimilarities if you compare. (BTW, I'm not referring to the brass insignia at all. That is obviously different and means nothing as I'm sure there were many used)
The hat in this thread is likely a copy of the hat you linked though.
Good detective work.

I say it IS the same hat... maybe a different manufacturer, but the same dang hat: The Model 1895 Enlisted Men's Forage Cap. (Called Kepis in modern day only, they were never called them Kepis during the era).


See this link for pictures... I can't post them here due to copyrights.

http://1-22infantry.org/history/pillbox.htm

The hat in this thread is different to the one you posted as well. Your link and the other guys link show the same hat with same spacing of details. Again, the one at the top of this thread is obviously different from both links to hats in this thread, including yours.
Its very obvious.

 

[Montana Jim]

After researching American military hats, I have discovered that this kepi is ca 1895, not Civil War material.

Here is a linked page with photo and description:
http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/VKLRtXA7BR2pWyyD1yf11w?authkey=YRixaW8MGaA&feat=directlink

The hat you linked to is not the same hat. Although it has most of the same details and is the same shape, its not the same hat.
Spacing of things are quite different along with other dissimilarities if you compare. (BTW, I'm not referring to the brass insignia at all. That is obviously different and means nothing as I'm sure there were many used)
The hat in this thread is likely a copy of the hat you linked though.
Good detective work.

I say it IS the same hat... maybe a different manufacturer, but the same dang hat: The Model 1895 Enlisted Men's Forage Cap. (Called Kepis in modern day only, they were never called them Kepis during the era).


See this link for pictures... I can't post them here due to copyrights.

http://1-22infantry.org/history/pillbox.htm

The hat in this thread is different to the one you posted as well. Your link and the other guys link show the same hat with same spacing of details. Again, the one at the top of this thread is obviously different from both links to hats in this thread, including yours.
Its very obvious.

I see you have powers of observation that I do not have...

Do you have the ability to post pics and show me these differences? Maybe circle them in red or something?

Anyone else want to weigh in?