Kamchatka Neolithic Tarinskaya culture.

[Geradot]

forgot to specify the size...

 

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[fyrffytr1]

That point is absolutely stunning! I want more.

 

[Geradot]

Today we managed to complete the translation into English.
I hope - the translation is done without errors. If I have made mistakes, correct me.


REVISITING THE TYPOLOGY OF LABRETS OF SOUTHERN KAMCHATKA

 

[Davers]

Kamchatka - "country" volcanoes!
Obsidian is very, very much.

Wow !
Super nice finds , & these Lenticular Clouds are amazing sights to see , 'Space Invaders' lol

 

[Davers]

This is almost as good as finding them. ALMOST!!!

I agree.
I'm going to have to delicate a day or 2 to study the 3 years of Geradot amazing finds.

Great informative thread 'Geradot' thanks for posting all this.

 

[Geradot]

series of photographs - "unfinished products"

 

[quito]

Hmmm.

Holding it short like that make it look like it could have been meant to be halfted.

 

[Geradot]

"unfinished products"

 

[unclemac]

forgot to specify the size...

i have found that exact point, in obsidian, in Nevada...same size too

 

[Geradot]

"unfinished products"

 

[quito]

Do you think your piece is not yet finished, or discarded, or repurposed, for not being workable for one reason or another?

Im not a knapper, but that last piece sure doesn’t look like how I would imagine that coming to be what you are thinking it will be.....Maybe I am way off.
Hopefully a knapper will chime in..

Respectfully, I dont see how you can distinguish a simple utilized flake from what you suspect may be an unfinished piece knowing what you thought of my piece or pieces earlier.

 

[Geradot]

"unfinished products"

 

[fyrffytr1]

Your unfinished ones are nicer than most of the finished ones I find. I really like that material.

 

[Geradot]

"unfinished products"

 

[Rookster]

Wow, this is amazing.Thanks for sharing some world history and come back soon.

 

[Geradot]

I'm glad you like it, thank you!

 

[quito]

"unfinished products"

I appreciate you participation on the forum here so don’t take this all wrong. BUT,

You can only be guessing on these “unfinished pieces”.

What tells you besides your imagination that these are unfinished and not just a simple utilized flake or broken artifact portion? ......I have asked before, but I was ignored. ....If you don’t have an answer, I understand.

Anyone can take flake tool and draw a point on them or cover a portion like you have been doing to make them appear unfinished, or something they are not.

If you want to stay credible, I wouldnt be publishing any papers on these as you call them, unless you can explain clearly how you know for sure.

If you are correct on these , I have more unfinished pieces than anything.

 

[BillA]

I appreciate you participation on the forum here so don’t take this all wrong. BUT,

You can only be guessing on these “unfinished pieces”.

What tells you besides your imagination that these are unfinished and not just a simple utilized flake or broken artifact portion? ......I have asked before, but I was ignored. ....If you don’t have an answer, I understand.

Anyone can take flake tool and draw a point on them or cover a portion like you have been doing to make them appear unfinished, or something they are not.

If you want to stay credible, I wouldnt be publishing any papers on these as you call them, unless you can explain clearly how you know for sure.

If you are correct on these , I have more unfinished pieces than anything.

Hi quito, good to see that you can express your disagreement so articulately.

Did you read the paper linked to previously? (I found it extremely difficult due to my inability to resize it.) I do not know what the relationship may be between "Geradot" and the author of that paper, but if he is even a helper then I am quite sure his knowledge about that specific culture quite exceeds your puerile, argumentative questioning.

Standards of workmanship vary across time and most certainly between cultures, your 'knowledge' (whatever that might be) may be not so applicable to the pieces being described. Different in both time and location.
(if the custom is to 100% work all surfaces, then any piece having an un-flaked area would be 'unfinished', no?)

Good to hear you have 'rescued' lots of fragments, and have a strong imagination.
Bill

 

[Geradot]

I appreciate you participation on the forum here so don’t take this all wrong. BUT,

You can only be guessing on these “unfinished pieces”.

What tells you besides your imagination that these are unfinished and not just a simple utilized flake or broken artifact portion? ......I have asked before, but I was ignored. ....If you don’t have an answer, I understand.

Anyone can take flake tool and draw a point on them or cover a portion like you have been doing to make them appear unfinished, or something they are not.

If you want to stay credible, I wouldnt be publishing any papers on these as you call them, unless you can explain clearly how you know for sure.

If you are correct on these , I have more unfinished pieces than anything.

Thank you for your interest in my materials.
I did not ignore your question, I wanted to finish showing things that in my opinion are not finished products.
least of all I wanted to argue or prove my thoughts.
Understand, we are (I and you) in the "one boat".
I or you - we can not guarantee 100 percent of the correctness of our versions regarding Neolithic objects. For obvious reasons - between us and the objects a large gap in the difference in time.
Broken or altered for other purposes, I found the product in large quantities. I had several thousand such artifacts. Therefore, when I hold these things in my hands, my brain analyzes and comes to certain versions or hypotheses. I see how the master treated the stone and did not bring the object to its perfection in order to use it for its intended purpose.
I can not and will not prove to you that these items are not finished. This is my hypothesis, your right to accept it or reject it.
Let me decide what to publish on this forum.
I refrain from publishing - if most members of the forum ask me about it.

 

[BillA]

Geradot,
please continue to post.
Bill
it is unfortunate but I must add that most 'americans' can only 'see' their own viewpoint