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Hunting season starts tomorrow so I decided to hit the marsh the last time before the bullets fly. I went back to the spot where I believe the soldiers camped, and near where I'd found the War of 1812 button yeaterday.

Once again, everything was extremely deep, a foot being the shallowest for 1812 relics. The half-cent is the condition you expect out of the salt marsh (terrible!!), but at least it helps verify the date of the encampment. All that's there to identify "draped bust" is a nose, and that could disappear just by touching it.

I'm sick about what is the most interesting relic, what seems to be the decorated end of a military swagger stick from the war. I had to cut through a network of cedar roots to a final depth of well over 16 inches, and somewhere along the way the shovel slipped and jabbed it. It reads with the point upright, and I still have to try to decipher exactly what it says. There is a motto in Latin on a bottom scroll. (it seems to read "Impro(n?) pia") There are two animals on the their haunches, possibly a deer or unicorn or horse on the right (upright tail)and possibly a lion on the left. Beneatheath their stomachs are three leaf clovers. They are leaning on a circular symbol which also has writing, but for for the time being unreadable.

The other bits and pieces which were very deep were a circular piece of pewter, possibly a spoon or back to a breast plate; what may be a telescope eyepiece, and a solid brass bar which had pewter or solder on the back. Anything left on the spot will require a bigger coil than a 15", so maybe next year... Thanks for looking.
 

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Nice finds.....
 
Thanks. As I'm cleaning it more, it seems to be a lion and a unicorn, two of the elements of British coats of arms. I hadn't considered that it might be British, as this site was guarded by U.S. troops, but there was supposed to be a small British war ship sunk within a mile, and I guess it's possible that prisoners, or else British troops trying to escape could have lost or abandoned this. It's also possible it may be earlier than 1812?
 
Cool finds. It is amazing how deep that stuff gets in some places. It gets to the point sometimes where I don't even want to dig, going 12+ inches just to find it's a piece of copper scrap. But you never know...
 
Terrific finds!

The motto carries me back to Mrs. Nicholson's 11th grade Latin II class, oh about 45 years ago. :)

I know you said it looks like Impro..something or other. I remember (and I'm excited about this...'cause there's so much I don't remember any more) a phrase 'impero pia' (very close to what you're seeing) that means something like 'faithful to orders' with 'impero' meaning orders or command and 'pia' meaning faithful or patriotic.

Anyway, if that's not it, at least I had fun reliving my childhood.

Keep finding the good stuff.

h-s
 
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Terrific finds!

The motto carries me back to Mrs. Nicholson's 11th grade Latin II class, oh about 45 years ago. :)

I know you said it looks like Impro..something or other. I remember (and I'm excited about this...'cause there's so much I don't remember any more) a phrase 'impero pia' (very close to what you're seeing) that means something like 'faithful to orders' with 'impero' meaning orders or command and 'pia' meaning faithful or patriotic.

Anyway, if that's not it, at least I had fun reliving my childhood.

Keep finding the good stuff.

Half serious, thank you!!! Yes, that is what it says. It makes sense now also. You've got a mind like a steel trap if you can remember that from eleventh grade! :D I say I won't go back there and plod all day for a few scraps, but I know I will. When you know something actually happened at a spot you can't help yourself, and you have to find what you know must be there somewhere.

h-s
 
You know, of course, that my wife calls it 'second childhood', plain and simple. :)

h-s
 
Some nice finds there... I know what your talking about with the roots, they can be a pain..but it paid off..
 
Great finds; be sure to post more pics after more cleaning! :icon_thumright: Breezie
 
Breezie, cleaning won't help this one much I'm afraid. I have to figure out how to take a better picture. Anyway, I found this link which if you scroll down, shows a British swagger stick tip (naval) of the period. At least it confirms that mine is a swagger stick tip (upright reading and everything), though mine has a different design (but seems to be British also). Mine has got a lot more going on as far as arms and mottos, including the "faithful to orders motto", so eventually it should be identifiable. It seems likely that either this was taken from an officer who surrendered from the British gunboat, or it was in the hand of an officer who made his way to shore when the boat was sunk by our side. I don't think there were any British land scirmishes at the marsh (unless this is revolutionary)

I said I wouldn't go back, but I'm going back in a few minutes to spend another day in the marsh, this time digging every iron signal in the immediate area. So deeeep! Everything there is soo deeep!!!
 

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