Little help on projectile and old charm

[coinhound1983]

Went to 1 of my spots today. The spot where I found a 1917-d Merc and a SL quarter. Well nothing but clad today, however I found a projectile another piece of lead and a copper charm pendant. I was wondering if I can get some insight on the charm and the unknown piece of lead thnx

 

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[Breezie]

Your jewelry piece is a pendant, not a charm. The 'open face rose' design is very typical of the Victorian era. The shape/style is called an open 'teardrop.' Are you sure it is copper? Neat find Breezie

 

[JOHUNT]

Since there is no mushrooming it looks to be an unfired minni-ball.Minié ball - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The other lead may be naturally occuring, was it found near a stream bed?

 

[TheCannonballGuy]

Definitely not a Minie-ball. The photo shows the bullet has "reeded" body-grooves, which absolutely no Minie-balls had. Reeded grooves on bullets date from the 1880s at the very earliest, well-beyond the era of Minie-balls.

If anybody here doesn't know what a "reeded" body-groove on a bullet looks like, see the photo below.

Based on the ruler next to the bullet, it is either a .30 or a .32-caliber. There were never any .30 or .32-caliber Minie-balls.

I do not recognize it among the pre-20th-Cenutry "reeded-groove" bullets I'm familiar with. There are too many 20th-Century varieties of .30 and .32-caliber bullets for me to guess its specific identity. Being a simple lead bullet instead of a metal-jacketed type indicates it is for a pistol cartridge... perhaps a .32-Long. Maybe some of the 20th-Century gun & ammo collectors (and hunters) here at TreasureNet will recognize it.

 

[JOHUNT]

Good eye Cannonball!
Now I gotta go check mine for reeds! Do you think he found an unfired bullet?

 

[TheCannonballGuy]

It is a fired bullet. Using TreasureNet's maximum-magnification function and then enlarging to 150% on my monitor, I can see unmistakeable rifling-marks on the bullet's body, and a dent on its nose.

 

[JOHUNT]

Good eye again! I can see it now. It must've hit something pretty soft. Mushrooming & fragmentation happens fairly easy, atleast in my personal experience of hunting deer,fox,coyote,Etc. . Even without hitting bone, but with modern bullet/powder charges the FPS is probably almost double.

 

[JOHUNT]

I couldn't make out land grooves of conventional rifling. Do you think it's polygonal rifling?

 

[coinhound1983]

Morning all! Thnx for the replies. Brezzie the pendant is def copper, I cleaned it a small amount with vinegar and some salt for about 5 sec, thank you for the estimated time period for that piece. CBG Ty for hitting that bullet on the head . The projectile is consistent with others I've found there.. Now for the hunk of lead. I found it about 1/2 mi from a fresh water river in the same place I found the other 2 said items.. I was wondering if we can see anything on the lead chunk with the 150% magnification. I can't as I'm rocking out with my iPhone and no access to a PC right now. Thnx guys. I'm going with solved but would love to hear about how lead naturally forms like that or if its canister shot or somthing different.