lucky saturday morning(w/pics showing how the shaft abrader stones work)

[larson1951]

found this stuff this morning
note the little point lying just 4inches behind the axe
I was focused so hard on the axe that I did not see the point for a while

 

[The Grim Reaper]

Re: a real lucky saturday morning

Very nice. That is a killer Axe and a great in situ picture.

Congrats and thanks for the pictures.

 

[quito]

Re: a real lucky saturday morning

Looks like a killer day there!

Nice relics!

 

[Road Dog]

Re: a real lucky saturday morning

Fields I hunt never have grooved axes. Hand axes and celts maybe. I'd fall over if i found that beauty!

 

[reddirt]

Re: a real lucky saturday morning

Now thats a good day! Cool axe! What was the smooth stone used for.

 

[Th3rty7]

Re: a real lucky saturday morning

great finds,but considering the site your field is on, and the pictures you've shown us, I'm not surprised.

 

[larson1951]

Re: a real lucky saturday morning

reddirt, the round stone shows use all the way around the outside edges
it must have been used as some kind of hammerstone
there are hundreds of these stones in all sizes laying around
I have quite a few of them and I don't save them very often any more
I will try to post a picture of these for you

 

[creek astronaut]

Re: a real lucky saturday morning

you are tearing it up dude!nice finds and real nice axe!

 

[larson1951]

Re: a real lucky saturday morning

plehbah, here is how the shaft abrader or polisher was used I thought some forum members would like to see
they were used in pairs held together by hand
the shaft was worked back and forth
I have tried this and it works as good or better than any modern way of sanding or polishing an arrow or spear shaft
I have found lots of these some with small grooves and some with bigger grooves
most of them have been used on both sides
some sides have 2 or 3 grooves like an x or something
many are used until the groove gets so deep that the stone breaks
all are made of sandstone that I have found

 

[larson1951]

I will try to take a picture of one stone that I have which is about 2 inches square by 4inches long
this shaft polishing stone has 5 different grooves in it
it is also made of sandstone like all the rest of them
I will try to get a pic of it tonight, it is very interesting

 

[jamey]

thanks for the demo,great finds as always.youre so lucky man. jamey

 

[larson1951]

plehbeh, I have a lot of small stones showing use on the outside which I have quit picking these up as I have too many
I was wondering the opinion if forum members the likes of you knew of uses that these could have been used for
I am thinking that the smaller ones could have been used for preparing small amounts of medicine,spices, or
maybe some different colors of dye for porcupine quills or maybe different colors of paint for ceremonial items
do you agree ?
I will put a new post up now with 2 images of different sizes of thes stones with some very small polished stones
that were not used for this but were obviously brought to the different sights for some reason
I will title the post medium and small grinding stones and small polished ornamental stones?

 

[Tnmountains]

Re: a real lucky saturday morning

reddirt, the round stone shows use all the way around the outside edges
it must have been used as some kind of hammerstone
there are hundreds of these stones in all sizes laying around
I have quite a few of them and I don't save them very often any more
I will try to post a picture of these for you

The use/wear patterns on ground-stone artifacts such as the "mano" you pictured there will fall into the categories of pecking and polishing. The use/wear patterns that you noticed as being caused by use as a hammerstone will generally occur on the edges and ends of manos, are a typical pattern, and result from the pounding of various plant food stuffs before the actual grinding.

All of this assuming it is a mano, and not just a hammerstone. It is hard to tell sometimes from pictures.

That shaft abrader or axe sharpening stone is cool.

You are farming an amazing site. Your collection is museum caliber. Keep it together!

I am unsure of what plebah does not study??

 

[pickaway]

Great finds congrats...

 

[Muddy Feet]

Awesome finds. Thanks for the demo picture, very interesting.

 

[Pinellas Man]

I wouldn't have noticed the point either! That's some awesome finds.

 

[11KBP]

Re: a real lucky saturday morning

plehbah, here is how the shaft abrader or polisher was used I thought some forum members would like to see
they were used in pairs held together by hand
the shaft was worked back and forth

You have found some nice examples of abraders Steve. The examples you have shown were made for abrading or smoothing items larger than arrow shafts. I have found a few of these abraders with the large grooves but have seen or found little evidence suggesting they were used in pairs. However, arrowshaft abraders were definitely used in pairs and they are usually a matched set. The groove of an arrowshaft abrader will be very close to the size of the shaft being abraded or smoothed.

11KBP

 

[larson1951]

11KBP, thanks for your input
I am wondering how a person could come up with evidence that these were used in pairs
I am thinking that it just makes sense
I have a bunch of them and they seem to be worked in pairs better than single
but I don't know and I thank you for the info

 

[11KBP]

11KBP, thanks for your input
I am wondering how a person could come up with evidence that these were used in pairs
I am thinking that it just makes sense
I have a bunch of them and they seem to be worked in pairs better than single
but I don't know and I thank you for the info

You could be right Steve. On a shaft larger than an arrow shaft, such as a spear shaft it might have been easier to handle a single abrading stone rather than two together like the smaller arrow shaft abraders were used

 

[larson1951]

11KBP. My thought on this
for a spear shaft one abrader stone would be laid groove side up
on a wood block or some type of platform
then the shaft placed in the groove with the 2nd stone held on top with light pressure
the shaft could be worked back and forth and gradually turned with the other hand
If you try this you can get something done both nice and quick
It would be hard to imagine trying to accomplish the same effect with one stone
If a person tries this with a broom handle or something I think you might agree
what do you think?
thanks much I appreciate your input