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Um, er, feel free to tell me more, PM if you prefer. Interesting thing to say.
 
G'afternoon Pie Grande, where would you like to begin? Treatments, what is cancer, how does it escape detection by the bodies immune system and on.?

Don Jose de La Mancha
 
Why don't one of you start a cancer and or other disease thread, and I will join in. I have much information on all diseases. Like Don Jose, I have made and used my own medicine for years, from herbs and vitamins as preventitive, to herbs and other minerals for curing. I will be glad to share my wealth of information about these if you wish. I also make collidal minerals for curing certain viruses and bacterial infections. Good Luck. rockhound
 
rockhound said:
Why don't one of you start a cancer and or other disease thread, and I will join in. I have much information on all diseases. Like Don Jose, I have made and used my own medicine for years, from herbs and vitamins as preventitive, to herbs and other minerals for curing. I will be glad to share my wealth of information about these if you wish. I also make collidal minerals for curing certain viruses and bacterial infections. Good Luck. rockhound
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Friend,
If you build it, they will come!
There's already a similar thread here:
http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,336496.0.html



Best,
Scott
 
Actually, what would be nice would be a paragraph summarizing how you cured your own cancer. Not a major thesis, we can certainly ask questions if the summary makes no sense. Diet? Strange chemicals that can make you turn blue?
 
what would be nice would be a paragraph summarizing how you cured your own cancer.
 
K strictly for starters Pie, terminal neck cancer with metastasis in the lymph glands, 32 removed. To buy time, since it was extremely aggressive, a radical neck dissection was allowed -- unfortunately, sigh -- then on with Cesium chloride combined with the Carey Reams technique. Now 8 years since surgery and absolutely no sign of any cancer anywhere, this despite a recent week of intensive investigation, since they knew that surgery alone never cures cancer, only delays it.

I might add 'massive excision of left frontal thigh muscle group, and 'V' notch on lower right lip, at the same time. Now sport a sexy leer.

As we said in the fly boy sections of the military, over to you.

Don Jose de La Mancha
 
Oh, man. In other words, massive but successful surgery. Thanks for explaining. I am glad you have these extra special years.

In Germany a few years ago, they took I think it was 25 cancer patients, only after the cancer doctors decreed they were doomed, and put them on a ketogenic diet, since cancer tends to get its nutrition from glucose. Those folks were so sick, they started dying within 72 hours, and they still saved 5 of them.
 
big foot, if I had had a few weeks more on the study of cancer, no surgery would have been allowed or needed. That surgery certainly put a crimp in my lost Jesuit mine hunting, I can no longer clamber around cliffs etc. since to remove the metastatic lymph cells and access the cancer, they removed almost all of the supporting muscles of my right shoulder and neck.

I yielded under pressure from the doctors and especially from the family who qestioned my judgement against that of doctors.

I was also informed that I would need a neck brace for the rest of my life - they certainly don't know OIRISH men, I regrew enough neck muscles to have full normal movement of my head. No one can yet explain how I did this, I can, but no one will believe me. However the shoulder still remains at 50 % movement. A bit late, but I may try to work on it also.

Next the Psychological and physiological factors of a cancer cells life in escaping detection and growth, plus a different idea on what is metastasis.

Don Jose de La Mancha
 
I would think that Mensa members would be especially eager to hear about therapies that have been used and worked. I am always reading and researching all subjects of interest daily. I fell I can never know too much and there is plenty more to learn, always. I also would think that any who are looking to become more self sufficient would be eager to learn of any remedy which would not require a doctor or hospital to administer it, especially those living many miles from civilization. Good luck. rockhound
 
I'm interested into investigating my options of joining, however, I understand that there are exams that must be taken before admission is granted. These exams cost money. Money that I don't have.
Is there a policy of sponsorship within this group?
What tests are required and what costs are involved?

Best,
Scott
 
AU,

Whether or not you join is a personal decision. From my experience, I have two family members who were part of Mensa. It is an organization that you can make of what you will, and take from, what you will.

Personally, my experience has been that IQ is much less important than common sense. I have seen many of high IQ, not be able to get around in this world.

I can also, honestly say, that, of the folks I have met that have extremely high IQ's, that, quite often, they are actually not as happy nor as well-adjusted, as some others. My nephew, 43 now, been in Mensa forever, graduated high school at 13, finished college with 2 degrees by the time he was 18, has the social awkwardness of a 12 year old boy. But, 5 will get you 10 that, if you play video games - his hand has been in the works.
(he is a consultant for several of the major computer game companies).

But, as for getting along in the world, no friends, no relationships, no hobbies, nothing. He finds it very difficult to carry on a normal conversation.
And, he is not alone.

Sometimes, we push people too far with their intelligence. I firmly believe that, pushing his schooling beyond his physical years, left a hole in his growing up, the kind most folks get by interacting with people (kids) their own age.

So, its not a case of your smarts, as much as it is what you do with your life. (just my opinion).

Beth
 
mrs.oroblanco said:
AU,

Whether or not you join is a personal decision. From my experience, I have two family members who were part of Mensa. It is an organization that you can make of what you will, and take from, what you will.

Personally, my experience has been that IQ is much less important than common sense. I have seen many of high IQ, not be able to get around in this world.

I can also, honestly say, that, of the folks I have met that have extremely high IQ's, that, quite often, they are actually not as happy nor as well-adjusted, as some others. My nephew, 43 now, been in Mensa forever, graduated high school at 13, finished college with 2 degrees by the time he was 18, has the social awkwardness of a 12 year old boy. But, 5 will get you 10 that, if you play video games - his hand has been in the works.
(he is a consultant for several of the major computer game companies).

But, as for getting along in the world, no friends, no relationships, no hobbies, nothing. He finds it very difficult to carry on a normal conversation.
And, he is not alone.

Sometimes, we push people too far with their intelligence. I firmly believe that, pushing his schooling beyond his physical years, left a hole in his growing up, the kind most folks get by interacting with people (kids) their own age.

So, its not a case of your smarts, as much as it is what you do with your life. (just my opinion).

Beth
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I have also seen many (fill in the blank here with any group) not be able to 'get around in this world'. These comments are stereotypes supported by anecdotes, directed at Mensans in particular, and smart people in general.

So I take it that the 'moral' to your story is to avoid being smart so you don't end up like your bad examples, eh? As a favor to me, substitute any ethnic group in your above comments and see how it reads.

I can tell you that hardly any of the hundreds of very bright people I've met in life (most not even in Mensa) aren't like your example, which sounds like a different direction that probably couldn't have ended up with the boy being anywhere else. It may be that he's actually really happy, which I think is more important than to fit your particular judgement of 'successful'.

Most people can't avoid being who they are, and in fact, if you have the self respect that a recognition of your identity engenders, you are proud of who you are. Not only that, but to try to be something or someone else is to fail at what and who God gave you.

Being 'smart' is not easy. By definition, it's different. It is often lonely and depressing. Imagine being beaten for being different, or for not having 'common sense' or for some other mundane trait as outlined by some jealous perpetrator, sometimes as an excuse for persecution. Imagine that you can't see other people or talk to others, and you'll have some idea just what it's like. People instinctively seek out others like them to interact with, and that's all part of finding yourself and your (God's) gifts.

That's why folks join Mensa, for the interaction with others. The variability of its members follow the same statistical laws as in any other group that doesn't screen or limit its members, so there are people of all persuasions and types.

And before you judge a group, please inform yourself about it and its makeup. That's just 'common courtesy'.
 
Well, Bumluck,

I think you are "assuming" a lot there.

Since I was talking about my own private family - I'm pretty sure I know EXACTLY what I'm talking about.

It was not a cut to Mensa - or any other organization. It was a simple statement of fact that, quite often, we press our children to be all they can be - but, sometimes, to the detriment of their psyche. Children will always need to be children, to grow up a healthy, well rounded adult.

It is a well-know fact that, as the level of intelligence goes up, so does the suicide rate. (including attempts by my nephew). Also, manic depression is more prevalent in higher IQ. Highly skilled physicians, researchers, etc., have higher depression rates , suicide rates and other
mental issues. A high percentage of autisic children have higher than normal IQ's. This does not indicate a happy person, imo. Though I am absolutely certain that there are well adjusted happy, people of high intelligence.

Some experts attribute this to less cultivation of social interaction during childhood - because parents go out of their way (as do teachers and others) to develop their child's potential. (certainly not a bad thing, but, there are just so many hours in a day). Some attribute it to the way ultra intelligent folks are treated by peers and others - bullied, ridiculed or other things like that.

That said - you also might note that my very first sentence was that joining Mensa is a personal decision, and you can make of what you will, and take from it, what you will.

However, you sound like you think that Mensa is the only place to get intelligent conversation. Many, many high IQ people are not in Mensa.

There is no "moral" to my story - its just a fact in my family life. Not to "avoid" being smart - just to make sure that children have as full a life as possible - it makes happier adults.

And, you are right - you are who you are - but, part of life is living and learning, and, you sound, to me, like you think a smart person can be happy unless they are 'recognized' by some organization, and cannot talk to 'normal' folks. Again, that does not sound like a happy person to me. You said yourself, quote: Being 'smart' is not easy. By definition, it's different. It is often lonely and depressing. Imagine being beaten for being different, or for not having 'common sense'

How absolutely fulfilling. And, in case you didn't get what I was saying, still - there is a difference between high IQ and common sense.

Beth
 
Hi: may I step into this discussion? The key words are a 'Balanced high IQ'. IQ tests can be heavily weighted by extreme natural talent on one particular to the detriment of the others.

I.E. one can be a math genius but absolutely under scale in other attributes of intelligence, yet by averaging out, still have a high IQ no. but lack the balancing effect. hence self scraggers, etc.

There have been many tests developed attempting to minimize this problematic factor, still to cover it thoroughly would necessitate taking 50 or 100 different tests depending upon where you were born, racial characteristics, social factors such as where you were raised, and where you have spent the major part of your life so far..

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Now then, for a description of a perfectly balanced, extremely brilliant, devil may care, loveable, dashing, handsome guy, may I suggest that you look for this 'Don Jose de La Mancha' fellow. sigh. If'n I were a beautiful, sexy, well flung together broad, I would fall in love with him, and try for him myself.


Don Jose de La Mancha
 
It was posted ----> "somewhat " attractive ??????????? SOMEWHAT ?????? sheesh, ok Beth, pass me one of those cups of hemlock to drown out my sorrow and destroyed ego.

Shucks, even I can see just how etc., etc., etc., etc., I am, and I am just a humble man, sniff.

Don Jose de La Mancha ( El saint in his cave meditating on why there aren't long lines of well flung together females lined up outside ???
 
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