Mosquitoes

I'm glad I saw this thread,the skeeters are the worst we have had in a long time. Also there is a tick that has been migrating called The Lone-Star Rick and I got one of them on me last year. The reaction to the bite can be horrible,causing the victim to have severe allergic reactions to red meat and even death after innocuously eating beef and not realizing it. Has anyone tried any essential oils like eucalyptus for mosquitos?

CG, use something with the highest percentage of DEET you can find. Its the only thing that works. I use the industrial strength Cutters.
 

CG, use something with the highest percentage of DEET you can find. Its the only thing that works. I use the industrial strength Cutters.

Thanks Boatlode!
 

I went out for a little early evening hunt. It only lasted about a half hour before I had to leave. With each swipe of the coil I would stir up mosquitoes! By the time I couldn't take it anymore, I had a huge cloud dive bombing me. I had to literally run back to the car. I guess I better lather myself down with deet the next time. Unless anyone knows a more effective mosquito repellent.

I use a mosquito head net learned that from deer hunting. also just a thought you can take garlic pills in early spring for this as mosquitos don't like it I also gave garlic to my dogs in the spring for ticks etc. just google and find out the OTHER ways to chase off mosquitos. jmho rwd mo.
 

Puff on a nice fat cigar when you go out detecting,every little bit helps.Smoke annoys them.

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Your gonna have to post your "CoilyGirl and Mister" photo like Bonnie and Clyde. The one with Bonnie puffing on the cigar! We're all waiting lady.....
 

Hey I have a question. I was gonna buy one of those big bug zappers for my back porch and started looking for them online. Then I found links to websites about these bug zappers and started reading where the female mosquito is the only one that bites. She bites for the protein in the blood to nourish her body for babies. The male doesn't bite according to these websites. They say that these zappers don't do anything to help your mosquito problem though people who own them swear by them. Supposedly they have done many tests with these bug zappers and found that of the dead bugs down in the collection tray, only some very miniscule percentage is the female mosquito. They say that mosquitos do more good than harm and that by killing so many bugs that don't even bite, you are making problems worse. So my question is...are these some skewed findings from some treehugger group who doesn't want mosquito's killed or do these bug zapper really help.
 

Hey I have a question. I was gonna buy one of those big bug zappers for my back porch and started looking for them online. Then I found links to websites about these bug zappers and started reading where the female mosquito is the only one that bites. She bites for the protein in the blood to nourish her body for babies. The male doesn't bite according to these websites. They say that these zappers don't do anything to help your mosquito problem though people who own them swear by them. Supposedly they have done many tests with these bug zappers and found that of the dead bugs down in the collection tray, only some very miniscule percentage is the female mosquito. They say that mosquitos do more good than harm and that by killing so many bugs that don't even bite, you are making problems worse. So my question is...are these some skewed findings from some treehugger group who doesn't want mosquito's killed or do these bug zapper really help.

Can we at least swat these people,hee hee!
 

I work out in the woods (I hate bugs), and I use Permanone (permethrin) on my clothes.

It's a different product than DEET.

It doesn't melt plastic, stink, and it lasts longer (sometimes in the heat and woods when the skeets are bad, I have had to reapply DEET every 10 minutes). Literally clouds of hundreds of them.

Permanone has another advantage, it kills the insects shorty after contact. Meanwhile, they don't bite. It says to only put it on clothes, but I spray my hair down to keep off horse flies too. I used DEET on my face and hands since Permanone doesn't seem to last there (it's metabolized).

It kills ticks about 14" after they start crawling on you. I've not had chiiggers either.

So, if actually doing something about the mosquitoes appeals to you, switch to Permanone.
 

Permithrine works good, but it will burn your skin and cause you to die of cancer eventually.
 

Permithrine works good, but it will burn your skin and cause you to die of cancer eventually.

Where's that info come from?

Here's a link to the Risk Characterization Document from California EPA:
http://www.cdpr.ca.gov/docs/risk/rcd/permet_s3.pdf

from webMD, which recommends it:
Best Insect Repellent For Mosquitoes
"Here's another safe bet: Insect repellents intended for use on clothing -- not on skin -- can provide long-lasting protection when you're wearing long-sleeved shirts, long pants, and socks. Repel Permanone, which contains permethrin, kills bugs on contact, the report states.In the Consumer Reports' study, the insect repellent Repel Permanone kept all mosquitoes from biting for 24 hours; protection gradually diminished over two weeks."

http://www.ct.gov/caes/lib/caes/documents/publications/fact_sheets/tickbiteprevention05.pdf
TICK BITE PREVENTION THE USE OF INSECT REPELLENTS, Kirby C. Stafford III, PhD (Revised June 2005)
The Connecticut Agricultural Experiment Station
Permethrin:
Repellents containing permethrin are for use only on clothing or other fabrics such as mosquito netting or tents. A synthetic pyrethroid insecticide rather than a traditional repellent, permethrin works primarily by killing ticks on contact with the clothes, although it also has some repellency. It can provide very high levels of protection against ticks (and chiggers and mosquitoes). Several products contain 0.5% permethrin (e.g.,Duranon Tick Repellent, Repel Permanone,Cutter Outdoorsman Gear Guard, Sawyer Clothing Tick Repellent, 3M Clothing and Gear Insect Repellent, No Stinkin’Ticks). Products are formulated as an aerosol spray or pump with a concentration of 0.5% and distributed mainly in lawnand garden centers or sports and camping stores. It will provide at least 2 weeks of protection with one treatment of the clothing as the spray will bind to the fabric and last through several washings. The clothing should be laundered before retreating. For proper application, the products are applied per label directions to clothing in a well-ventilated outdoor area and allowed to dry for 2 hours (4 hours with high humidity).

Follow precautions on the label. Wash thoroughly with soap and water after handling. Permethrin has low mammalian toxicity, is poorly absorbed through the skin and is rapidly inactivated by the body. Skin reactions have been uncommon. Nevertheless, avoid contact with face, eyes or skin. For additional protection against mosquitoes and ticks, these products may be used in conjunction with an insect repellent labeled for use on skin.

PROTECTION FROM INSECTS | Health Services
CLOTHING REPELLENT: Permethrin is a repellent which is actually a pesticide. It kills insects which come in contact with it. It adheres tightly to fabric and will last through multiple washings and is non-staining and nearly odorless. It is effective against mosquitoes, ticks, flies, and other insects. It is resistant to light, heat, and immersion in water, and is biodegradable. Permethrin is not hazardous to humans. Skin absorption is extremely low. Using Permethrin is easy: clothing can be sprayed (Duranon, Permanone aerosol spray, Permanone Tick Repellent) until slightly damp, then hung to dry. It lasts about six weeks, even after several launderings. Clothing soaked in Permethrin solution (Permakill 4-week Tick Killer) will afford even longer protection.


SIDE EFFECTS OF DEET are not common. It is absorbed through the skin. Some new formulations with an added polymer apparently decrease this absorption quite significantly, thereby making it last longer (Ultrathon, HourGuard) also. It can cause itching, swelling, stinging, and blistering. Toxic reactions may occur in children, including neurological side effects such as seizures. These are very rare events. To minimize the possibility of reactions to DEET, use low concentrations on children, and wear clothing which reduces skin surfaces requiring the repellent. Permethrin is toxic to insects, but not to humans, and adverse systemic effects have not been reported in the medical literature.


DEET in high concentrations over a day in the woods make my skin "crawl" or have nerve twitch, and I'm the kind of guy that asks a lot from his body without giving much in return or noticing distractions like cuts, bruises, or abrasions. DEET is hard on my gear, and will melt plastic like glasses and other lenses. I find that there are times that I must wear it, but I was surprised that most times wearing Permanone would work so well that I didn't have to have a face or hand repellent. If they land on my Permanone treated clothes, they don't bite, and they never make it to my face. They die. It is MUCH more effective on ticks than DEET since the mortality rate is 100%. Chiggers too.

With West Nile, Encephalitis, Lyme Disease, Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever, Tularemia, or the rest of tick-borne diseases and parasites, it makes sense to kill them before that happens.
 

I agree with Bum Luck.......I just treated a set of pants, long sleeve shirt and socks with permethrin. I purchased mine at Walmart in the sporting goods section for $10.
Ticks ,chiggers and mosquitos are bad this year. Last year I got a heavy dose of the chiggers....won't do that again this year. I don't like using the deet products on skin. Walmart also has a version of the "Skin - so - soft" spray. I would recommend that before using deet products to keep the mosquitos off exposed areas. I do keep a can of the Deep Woods Off (with deet) and usually spray around my shoes and pants cuff to deter ticks and chiggers from going up your legs. I have read a lot about the permethrin and have found that people who go overseas treat their clothes and camping gear with it and it is very effective at killing insects.....and not harmful to humans. The idea of getting hot and sweaty and absorbing deet doesn't appeal to me at all.
 

One of those hats with the netting on really works to keep them off your face and head. It also works great for gnats which are just about as bad as Mosquitos.
 

When we were camping in Washington State the mosquitos were so bad they drove us out of the campground! So we used Apple Cider Vinegar in a spray bottle! You might smell like a salad but the mosquitos didn't land or bite! The ACV lasts for about 30 minutes or so, but it was a natural way to keep totally bug free!
 

in arkansas, my grandparents and parents used sulfur powder, placing it in an old sock, tying off the top and lightly tapping the sock against your body areas, ankles, etc to repel chiggers ticks etc. we also live in fear of being carried off by the flying blood suckers, they're everywhere! i have a bug suit as well, it breaths pretty well but you still have to protect yourself, yep, rocky mountain tick fever and Lymes disease... it ain't fun, had them both.
 

Where's that info come from?

Here's a link to the Risk Characterization Document from California EPA:
http://www.cdpr.ca.gov/docs/risk/rcd/permet_s3.pdf

from webMD, which recommends it:
Best Insect Repellent For Mosquitoes
"Here's another safe bet: Insect repellents intended for use on clothing -- not on skin -- can provide long-lasting protection when you're wearing long-sleeved shirts, long pants, and socks. Repel Permanone, which contains permethrin, kills bugs on contact, the report states.In the Consumer Reports' study, the insect repellent Repel Permanone kept all mosquitoes from biting for 24 hours; protection gradually diminished over two weeks."

http://www.ct.gov/caes/lib/caes/documents/publications/fact_sheets/tickbiteprevention05.pdf
TICK BITE PREVENTION THE USE OF INSECT REPELLENTS, Kirby C. Stafford III, PhD (Revised June 2005)
The Connecticut Agricultural Experiment Station
Permethrin:
Repellents containing permethrin are for use only on clothing or other fabrics such as mosquito netting or tents. A synthetic pyrethroid insecticide rather than a traditional repellent, permethrin works primarily by killing ticks on contact with the clothes, although it also has some repellency. It can provide very high levels of protection against ticks (and chiggers and mosquitoes). Several products contain 0.5% permethrin (e.g.,Duranon Tick Repellent, Repel Permanone,Cutter Outdoorsman Gear Guard, Sawyer Clothing Tick Repellent, 3M Clothing and Gear Insect Repellent, No Stinkin’Ticks). Products are formulated as an aerosol spray or pump with a concentration of 0.5% and distributed mainly in lawnand garden centers or sports and camping stores. It will provide at least 2 weeks of protection with one treatment of the clothing as the spray will bind to the fabric and last through several washings. The clothing should be laundered before retreating. For proper application, the products are applied per label directions to clothing in a well-ventilated outdoor area and allowed to dry for 2 hours (4 hours with high humidity).

Follow precautions on the label. Wash thoroughly with soap and water after handling. Permethrin has low mammalian toxicity, is poorly absorbed through the skin and is rapidly inactivated by the body. Skin reactions have been uncommon. Nevertheless, avoid contact with face, eyes or skin. For additional protection against mosquitoes and ticks, these products may be used in conjunction with an insect repellent labeled for use on skin.

PROTECTION FROM INSECTS | Health Services
CLOTHING REPELLENT: Permethrin is a repellent which is actually a pesticide. It kills insects which come in contact with it. It adheres tightly to fabric and will last through multiple washings and is non-staining and nearly odorless. It is effective against mosquitoes, ticks, flies, and other insects. It is resistant to light, heat, and immersion in water, and is biodegradable. Permethrin is not hazardous to humans. Skin absorption is extremely low. Using Permethrin is easy: clothing can be sprayed (Duranon, Permanone aerosol spray, Permanone Tick Repellent) until slightly damp, then hung to dry. It lasts about six weeks, even after several launderings. Clothing soaked in Permethrin solution (Permakill 4-week Tick Killer) will afford even longer protection.


SIDE EFFECTS OF DEET are not common. It is absorbed through the skin. Some new formulations with an added polymer apparently decrease this absorption quite significantly, thereby making it last longer (Ultrathon, HourGuard) also. It can cause itching, swelling, stinging, and blistering. Toxic reactions may occur in children, including neurological side effects such as seizures. These are very rare events. To minimize the possibility of reactions to DEET, use low concentrations on children, and wear clothing which reduces skin surfaces requiring the repellent. Permethrin is toxic to insects, but not to humans, and adverse systemic effects have not been reported in the medical literature.


DEET in high concentrations over a day in the woods make my skin "crawl" or have nerve twitch, and I'm the kind of guy that asks a lot from his body without giving much in return or noticing distractions like cuts, bruises, or abrasions. DEET is hard on my gear, and will melt plastic like glasses and other lenses. I find that there are times that I must wear it, but I was surprised that most times wearing Permanone would work so well that I didn't have to have a face or hand repellent. If they land on my Permanone treated clothes, they don't bite, and they never make it to my face. They die. It is MUCH more effective on ticks than DEET since the mortality rate is 100%. Chiggers too.

With West Nile, Encephalitis, Lyme Disease, Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever, Tularemia, or the rest of tick-borne diseases and parasites, it makes sense to kill them before that happens.
This is the important part
Using Permethrin is easy: clothing can be sprayed (Duranon, Permanone aerosol spray, Permanone Tick Repellent) until slightly damp, then hung to dry.

Let it dry, for 24 hours before you wear it, skin contact with fresh stuff is bad juju.

Never spray it on what you are wearing, or yourself.
 

Hey I have a question. I was gonna buy one of those big bug zappers for my back porch and started looking for them online. Then I found links to websites about these bug zappers and started reading where the female mosquito is the only one that bites. She bites for the protein in the blood to nourish her body for babies. The male doesn't bite according to these websites. They say that these zappers don't do anything to help your mosquito problem though people who own them swear by them. Supposedly they have done many tests with these bug zappers and found that of the dead bugs down in the collection tray, only some very miniscule percentage is the female mosquito. They say that mosquitos do more good than harm and that by killing so many bugs that don't even bite, you are making problems worse. So my question is...are these some skewed findings from some treehugger group who doesn't want mosquito's killed or do these bug zapper really help.

Zappers kill lots of stuff. Collateral damage. But I can't stand skeeters, so be it.

Bad this year, real bad.

The key to zappers is if you hang them by your door ... you know ... just like a porch light. Builders still haven't all figured out to move those away from the door so you don't swoosh a bunch of bugs in from the crowd hovering around the light.

If the zapper is viewable from distant areas around the location you try to protect you will draw in bugs from afar. You want to put it away from the area to be protected, like say a deck, and clearly visible to that area, but blocked from surrounding areas.

I have a firewood crib ( 3 sides hard) across the drive and hang it in there so it draws them from the house but not from the other directions.

Zaps day and night. You can fill a pail under it. And NONE of those will ever bite me :D

If you don't have a structure in a nice situation you can use a 4x4 post with ply wood wings - set up diagonally to the area to protect, easy to add a roof to hang light from. When there are no bugs you can hang a bird feeder in it :)
 

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Permithrine works good, but it will burn your skin and cause you to die of cancer eventually.
DEET is for skeeters because you can apply it directly to skin with minimal health risk. Permethrin is not for skeeters per se, it dont work too good for skeeters. And you NEVER put permethrin directly on your skin. You spray permethrin into your clothes and let it dry, which is the most effective tick repellant known at this time. Once permethrin is dried into the clothes, it is not harmful to humans but ticks will die on it after short exposure. You can actually wash the treated clothes a few times before it looses it's effectiveness against ticks. DEET on skin to repel mosquitoes. Dried permethrin in clothing to repel ticks.
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DEET is for skeeters because you can apply it directly to skin with minimal health risk. Permethrin is not for skeeters per se, it dont work too good for skeeters. And you NEVER put permethrin directly on your skin. You spray permethrin into your clothes and let it dry, which is the most effective tick repellant known at this time. Once permethrin is dried into the clothes, it is not harmful to humans but ticks will die on it after short exposure. You can actually wash the treated clothes a few times before it looses it's effectiveness against ticks. DEET on skin to repel mosquitoes. Dried permethrin in clothing to repel ticks.
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"Permethrin is toxic to insects, but not to humans, and adverse systemic effects have not been reported in the medical literature". - Williams College Health Services

Was out in the woods yesterday, sprayed up with Permethrin, and not a mosquito bit. They landed, they died. That's about as effective as it gets. It's not a repellent, it's an insecticide.

I don't want to belabor the point; I'm just trying to cut through the mythology on something I happen to know about, same as others on the Board and help folks out. Take it or leave it.
 

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Avon lotion or if u can remember just take garlic pills all spring every day and they will stay away, pill your dog or cat all year long with garlic caps and no trouble with ticks etc
just a thought.rwd mo
 

"Permethrin is toxic to insects, but not to humans, and adverse systemic effects have not been reported in the medical literature". - Williams College Health Services

Was out in the woods yesterday, sprayed up with Permethrin, and not a mosquito bit. They landed, they died. That's about as effective as it gets. It's not a repellent, it's an insecticide.

I don't want to belabor the point; I'm just trying to cut through the mythology on something I happen to know about, same as others on the Board and help folks out. Take it or leave it.

Bum Luck I agree its true permethrin has low toxicity to mammals, and it dont absorb thru the skin easily. But the experts say to spray it on your clothes and let it dry and all the permethrin tick products I have ever bought specifically say not to spray directly to the skin. I wonder why?
 

Bum Luck I agree its true permethrin has low toxicity to mammals, and it dont absorb thru the skin easily. But the experts say to spray it on your clothes and let it dry and all the permethrin tick products I have ever bought specifically say not to spray directly to the skin. I wonder why?

The short answer:
[h=5]Is Permethrin dangerous to my skin?
[/h] The warning labels on the cans or bottles are often misunderstood. Your skin metabolizes, or breaks down Permethrin within fifteen minutes of contact with skin. Therefore, it is of no value to you as a personal protection insect repellent when applied to the skin. In addition, the EPA precautionary statement, "Do Not Apply to Skin" indicates that Permethrin is ineffective when applied to skin; therefore, do not apply to skin.
 

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