My World of Ground Found Colonial Coppers...1787 "MuttonHead" Conn.

[hogge]

My World of Ground Found Colonial Coppers...1787 "MuttonHead" Conn.

Found this on Friday night. My 5th Conn. this year turns out just like the other 4. Almost unidentifieable, but for the head and shoulder. That gives me at least the general variety. Planchet is very thin and porus. This variety is actually a CFT. Conn. Back is even more shot, with only the tiniest of details left. I guess I'm just spoiled rotten! There are only 2 varieties of "MuttonHead" this can be. 1.2C at an R-3 or the 1.2mm R-7. (2 known). Am taking this to Tony Carlotto on Tues. to see if he can bring out more detail and ID for me. Does anyone know what the difference between the 2 are? Something about the "Back Dating" of the 1.2mm. This particular variety, is attributed to the mint of John Bailey of NYC. Thanks......... The Hogge Found this about 20 feet from where I found the GW Button.

 

[ModernMiner]

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Hogge,
I love that spot you're hunting. Congrats.
Keep up the great posts,
MM

 

[crazyjarhead]

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WTG Hogge on a nice find. I have no idea what you found but you obviously know more than I do Hope you can get it cleaned up and re-post some pictures.

 

[Colonial Copper Zeus]

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Very good Hogge. I always get a kick out of the designation MUTTONHEAD. It cracks me up.
Chris

 

[RelicRick]

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Hey Hogge!

With the exception of that guy in England that found the mother load, you're making us all look bad! WTG...keep hammering the place!

 

[dfx willy]

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man hogge !!! your cleaning up western mass save some for me and one of my hunting partners mean gene. i go up that way once a month now willy

 

[Derek752]

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Thats one heck of a kick azz site ya got there Hogge !! I sure hope ya dig an "unbent" GW out of it !

D.

 

[1235CE]

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very nice Todd.....CONGRATS!!

HH all!

Greg

 

[allen]

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id love to find just one of those old coppers !!

 

[vermonster]

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You go Boy! I had fun on saturday Lets go again

vermonster

 

[Evolution]

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You never cease to amaze me with your ability to find the coppers! They always seem to be unusual ones too.

 

[hogge]

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You never cease to amaze me with your ability to find the coppers! They always seem to be unusual ones too.

I've had good luck the past couple of years. I can see something really big on the horizon. (LOL)

 

[Kirk PA]

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Hogge,

You definitely have the copper fix for the week! I would be hitting that site at every which angle until the geometry got too difficult.

I must ask, what do you clean your coins with? I noticed most of your coppers looked fried. If you just scratched the dirt off of the copper, would you be able to notice more details? If I peroxided my coppers, it make them worse. That is the PA soil though.

Kirk

 

[hogge]

Re: My World of Ground Found Colonial Coppers...1787 "MuttonHead" Conn.

Hogge,

You definitely have the copper fix for the week! I would be hitting that site at every which angle until the geometry got too difficult.

I must ask, what do you clean your coins with? I noticed most of your coppers looked fried. If you just scratched the dirt off of the copper, would you be able to notice more details? If I peroxided my coppers, it make them worse. That is the PA soil though.

Kirk

Through cleaning I've learned a couple things. If a coin has great detail, and has very little pitting, I ALWAYS use peroxide. If one, or both sides are severely pitted, I clean with warm water and Q Tips first. I run the water over the Q Tips only, then gently rub the corrosion off , before I do anything else. Well over half the coppers I, (we), dig, are in quite rough shape. Of course, this depends on the site. Over heating the peroxide to a boil, can do more harm than good. You basically have to ascess the coin, and decide for yourself, how you want to proceed. I've learned alot on this site, especially from Don in SJ, IP, and BuckleBoy. Coppers are one thing, but Bronze IH's can be ruined by peroxide. I still use it on them occasionally, but with great care. Incidently, I sent the GW Inaugural to Robert McDaniel yesterday. Just used water and a Q Tip with this. After I let it set a while, it seems to have some real good detail. Can't WAIT to see this thing come back! Will post the final product. GOOD LUCK, and I hope this helps. P.S.-----I see alot of posts where people say, "Don't clean a coin that comes from the ground". COMPLETELY UNTRUE! Careful cleaning enhances detail, and makes the coin or relic, saleable, if you so choose. I'll bet there are some really nice, valuable coins, sitting in someones collection right now, that could bring some serious cash, if they only knew what they had and how to clean them. CAREFUL cleaning of ground finds' IS A MUST! If someone doesn't feel comfortable doing so, ask for advice. I learned by trial and error. Ultimately, this is in the finders good judgement on what they want to do. They are YOUR finds! By the way, Tony Carlotto has my "MuttonHead" variety coin right now. I will repost when it is done. The Bust Left 1786 Vermont, my brother found about 2 months ago, was picked up from him yesterday. It is a Ryder-11. THE HOGGE