Need some help with buckle.......

[RiverRat3]

Since I can never seem to find a buckle I was given the wife's blessing to buy one for my birthday. I actually purchased an array of relics that were being sold together. In my purchase I got two buckles and a couple breast plates. I feel good with everything I received but question this buckle. I checked my reference books but was always told the tongue should be thick on the back of the buckle which it isnt. There are also initials of "JBD" on the back. I did purchase the item from a respectful dealer but sometimes we can all make mistakes. Any help would be appreciated to ease my mind and to look into further. Thanks for reading. Happy Hunting

Weight: 96 grams
Length: 3.21 inches
Width: 2.1 inches

 

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[DirtyMike]

Looks good to me. Here is one I found in a camp and notice the tongues are real close in size. I would say non dug or early dug.

 

[vayank54]

Your buckle looks good to me but it is hard to say 100%for sure from the pic. There are good buckles with those types of hooks but repros have them too. It would be best to take it to another relic dealer or to a relic show. Personally I like the looks of it and think it is good.

 

[RiverRat3]

Thanks for your guys help. I am sorry I didnt mention but it was sold as non dug.

 

[vayank54]

You're welcome. Sorry I couldn't say I'm 100% sure it's good. It is nondug though.

 

[Woodland Detectors]

If it's real, it's a beauty!

Counterfeit or Reproduction?
Some fakes are easily spotted: the font relief is razor-sharp and obviously freshly struck off a modern die, or the hooks on the back are made of modern steel. But some are devilishly difficult to analyze. Confederate buckles tend to be trickier than U.S. buckles to certify, as the original Confederate buckle-makers were usually amateurs, and their lackadaisical craftsmanship is easy to replicate. This is a difficult field. In extreme cases, an expert may think that a buckle is real for a dozen reasons, yet the strongest pronouncement he feels certain of is that he just can't prove it's not fake.

Yet some fakes are innocent. There are legitimate companies that make Civil War props for Hollywood or for re-enactors. And in the re-enacting community, there are some who create "fantasy buckles" from their own designs. These are easily culled. But a considerable proportion of inauthentic buckles are made by metalworkers using historically accurate sand-molds and the correct admixture of copper, brass, tin, and zinc. Even some of these are innocently made, as the line between "counterfeit" and "reproduction" is drawn based on the maker's intent. Some notorious fakers have been known to bury buckles for up to 25 years to achieve a credible patina, and it's hard to imagine such a concerted effort as benign.

http://www.shilohrelics.com/cgi-bin/Display_Items.asp?Cat=147&Sub=653

 

[RiverRat3]

Thanks for the helpful information and the link. This site and forum has helped me learn new things everyday. Stuff I thought was trash while detecting has actually been a good find. Again thanks.

If it's real, it's a beauty!

Counterfeit or Reproduction?
Some fakes are easily spotted: the font relief is razor-sharp and obviously freshly struck off a modern die, or the hooks on the back are made of modern steel. But some are devilishly difficult to analyze. Confederate buckles tend to be trickier than U.S. buckles to certify, as the original Confederate buckle-makers were usually amateurs, and their lackadaisical craftsmanship is easy to replicate. This is a difficult field. In extreme cases, an expert may think that a buckle is real for a dozen reasons, yet the strongest pronouncement he feels certain of is that he just can't prove it's not fake.

Yet some fakes are innocent. There are legitimate companies that make Civil War props for Hollywood or for re-enactors. And in the re-enacting community, there are some who create "fantasy buckles" from their own designs. These are easily culled. But a considerable proportion of inauthentic buckles are made by metalworkers using historically accurate sand-molds and the correct admixture of copper, brass, tin, and zinc. Even some of these are innocently made, as the line between "counterfeit" and "reproduction" is drawn based on the maker's intent. Some notorious fakers have been known to bury buckles for up to 25 years to achieve a credible patina, and it's hard to imagine such a concerted effort as benign.

http://www.shilohrelics.com/cgi-bin/Display_Items.asp?Cat=147&Sub=653
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