Not sure what this is, Possibly spanish?

[KEVTEC]

After a tip about a park from a friend 40 miles south of me I decided to give it a try before cold weather set in here in northern Ohio. Found loads of clad, and a few pieces of silver coinage. This one has me baffled , so that's why I come here to the experts on the forum.

 

[Bramblefind]

Wow!

Maybe a British Charles I halfgroat?

http://www.treasurenet.com/treasures/askmarkparker/200410.htm

CHARLES IN CHARGE Image 2

Question 2I dug this coin at an Indian Wars site in Kansas. It is silver, about dime size, and very thin. If possible, please tell me where it is from, how old it is, what the writing on it means, and what it is worth.

Answer 2 It's a 17th century British halfgroat of Charles I,probably just about the last thing you'd expect to turn up at such a location. The obverse bears a bust of the king facing left, with the Roman numeral II behind, signifying the value of the coin, twopence. Above the king's crown is the tun (barrel) mintmark used by the Tower Mint in London in 1636-38. The surrounding inscription, which appears to be CAROLVS D. G. M: B: D: ET H: REX, is an abbreviation of Carolus Dei Gratia Magnae Britanniae Franciae et Hiberniae Rex, Latin for, "Charles, by the grace of God, King of Great Britain, France, and Ireland." On the reverse is a crowned shield, the royal arms, and the Latin motto IVSTITIA THRONUM FIRMAT, or "Justice strengthens the throne." If the coin were unholed and in Very Good condition, it might retail for $50 or more. Obviously, it's lost much of its numismatic value, but as a relic it's definitely a dandy!

 

[KEVTEC]

Thanks for the help. The link shows one that looks like mine.

 

[Bramblefind]

What a great find! Congratulations!

* I hope an expert here will stop by with an opinion as to whether it is real or a copy

 

[umrgolf]

Wow given where you found it, would point to copy... but man it sure looks real

 

[Silver Searcher]

Why post in two threads it looks very real

 

[HISPAN]

Welcome to the T.net forum !
not is a Spanish shield in the coin ... is a British .
greetings!

 

[MaineRelic]

You just never know where something is going to show up ! Looks real to me ! Damage and all ! A remarkable find but certainly possibly ! Another silver on the BANNER ?? MaineRelic

 

[Iron Patch]

Looks like a cast modern reproduction. (Look at the melted metal, this should be a hammered coin) Just in general I think it looks like a fake coin so would be very surprised if it was real. (actually I would probably never believe it)

 

[Silver Searcher]

Could you tell us what these marks are on the coin are they from were something has caught it

SS

 

[HISPAN]

but a fake old is much more valuable.

 

[KEVTEC]

Why post in two threads it looks very real

Posted in 2 threads for todays find, and thought maybe in the other one to find what it is. Sorry guys.

 

[Iron Patch]

Why post in two threads it looks very real

Posted in 2 threads for todays find, and thought maybe in the other one to find what it is. Sorry guys.

Nothing to be sorry about, that happens every day! (and what is encouraged when you need an ID)

 

[Silver Searcher]

Why post in two threads it looks very real

Posted in 2 threads for todays find, and thought maybe in the other one to find what it is. Sorry guys.

That's Ok it looks like a real hammered, but copies, or fakes can look real also did you get chance to look at those marks at the top they look like it has been caught(damage) we get them here with damage like that from the plough

SS

 

[jimmy uk]

just had a good look in my spinks 2011 british coin book and the real charles 1st halfgroat looks different to this one in a few ways so i think this maybe a fake

 

[Silver Searcher]

just had a good look in my spinks 2011 british coin book and the real charles 1st halfgroat looks different to this one in a few ways so i think this maybe a fake

In what way there are quite a few on the UKFD, nearly all are different in some ways, struck by different dies..as is the same with most Hammered coinage, you only get the same, from one's that have been struck from the same dies

SS

 

[jimmy uk]

[/quote]In what way

SS
[/quote]

well the inner circle thats under the lettering there should be a circle of little dots on both sides which this one hasn't not even got any sign of them as you can't say its wear as the lettering is still readable and the dots that should be there are right next to them

 

[Silver Searcher]

In what way

SS
[/quote]

well the inner circle thats under the lettering there should be a circle of little dots on both sides which this one hasn't not even got any sign of them as you can't say its wear as the lettering is still readable and the dots that should be there are right next to them

[/quote]I'm afraid that's not correct, there are several enteries for the coinage without inner circles, 2834 in spinks, Aberystwyth bust types, 3a4-5, no inner circles, or on reverse only.

2835,....3a6, no inner circles..mm..Anchor.

SS

 

[hammered]

In what way

SS

well the inner circle thats under the lettering there should be a circle of little dots on both sides which this one hasn't not even got any sign of them as you can't say its wear as the lettering is still readable and the dots that should be there are right next to them

[/quote]I'm afraid that's not correct, there are several enteries for the coinage without inner circles, 2834 in spinks, Aberystwyth bust types, 3a4-5, no inner circles, or on reverse only.

2835,....3a6, no inner circles..mm..Anchor.

SS
[/quote]


I didn't realise how many varieties there were until SS mentioned it, thanks mate . Here are just a few without the inner circle of dots, there are many more on the UKDFD. I don't know if it's real or not, a hands on examination would be needed, but I would be happy with it.


hammered

 

[DirtMan1]

Congrats, you never know what is going to pop up and where, I'd be happy with it for sure!