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Wow thats a heck of a cartridge. :o Any markings? Rimfire?
 

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another pic
 

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It appears to be one of the Model-1882 Maynard cartridges. The casing is still the same as the civil war ones, but the lead slug is 1882-model. See the attached scan, from a bullet-collector magazine. The civil war Maynard slug had no grooves exposed when the slug was in the casing. Your bullet shows a shallow groove above the casing, and a deeper groove at the casing's crimp-line.

BigCypressHunter, the answer to your question is no, not a rimfire. This one is what is called an externally-primed cartridge. The primer for Maynard cartridges was a percussion-cap "roll" (called tape-primer), mounted on the carbine itself. Flame was transmitted from the external percussion-cap through the tiny hole in the center of the cartridge's base. If you want to see what that primer mechanism looked like, google "Maynard Tape Primer."
 

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TheCannonballGuy said:
BigCypressHunter, the answer to your question is no, not a rimfire. This one is what is called an externally-primed cartridge. The primer for Maynard cartridges was a percussion-cap "roll" (called tape-primer), mounted on the carbine itself. Flame was transmitted from the external percussion-cap through the tiny hole in the center of the cartridge's base. If you want to see what that primer mechanism looked like, google "Maynard Tape Primer."
Thats amazing. Most of the examples I found were pre-cartridge but I found this. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Maynard

How rare a find is this? This is the first one I have seen and a great ID.
 

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BigCypressHunter wrote:
> How rare a find is this? This is the first one I have seen and a great ID.

Coming from a What-Is-It veteran as knowledgeable as you, that is a high compliment. Thank you.

How rare a find? Well, that depends on whether you mean the model-1882 Maynard cartridge found by Xmarks73, or the civil war era version in the Wikipedia photo you posted. (By the way, I hope you noticed that it shows no grooves encircling the exposed part of the lead slug ...unlike the 1882-model.) For the sake of discussion, I'll assume your question refers to the civil war era model.

Civil War era ones are rare, but not quite "extremely" rare. That's because -- as the Wikipedia article mentioned -- not many Maynard Breechloaders were issued to troops, in comparison to the tens-of-thousands (or even hundreds-of-thousands) of other rifles, such as the Springfield, Enfield, Sharps, Spencer, etc.

Enhancing the rarity situation, in a way, is the fact that the cartridge's gunpowder charge causes it to corrode to bits. The majority of unfired-and-INTACT Maynard cartridges we dig are no longer intact by the time we get them out of the ground. Even a "decent" one looks like what Xmarks73 found.

Judging the rarity of Xmarks73's unfired model-1882 Maynard cartridge is difficult. I can only say that it is definitely more rare than a civil war era one, for two reasons:
1- The US Army purchased hundreds-of-thousands of rounds of Maynard ammo during the civil war ...and I doubt that Civilian game-hunters purchased anywhere near that much.
2- Civilian game-hunters are actually more careful about not losing bullets than soldiers are. Unlike game-hunters, soldiers don't have to purchase their ammo with money out of their own pocket ...and thus they are notoriously wasteful.
 

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Unless I missed it, I had not seen another posted here CW era or post CW.

A search here revealed some mention of Maynard lead found but I couldnt find another complete cartridge posted here at TN.

Im not a bullet guy but I find this casing interesting.
 

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First one I've seen in its entirety. I have read about the paper cap guns but never seen a cartridge. Monty
 

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Great info as usual Cannonball',and great find!!I have found Maynard casings but never a complete! :thumbsup:
 

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Thanks everyone! I am not a bullet guy either and just assumed it was a normal common find. A huge thanks for making me aware of the rarity of this find. It went from a drawer in my desk to the collection cabinet. Thanks so much! :hello2:
 

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