Old Token ID

[Dropkickweasel]

I found this token while metal detecting near a store's parking lot. There was an old farm from the 1800's there before the store was built. Anone out there able to tell me what it is for sure and how old it might be?

 

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[Dropkickweasel]

I found this token while metal detecting near a store's parking lot in my town. There was an old farm from the 1800's there before the store was built. The token reads "Madeliene Miller Daughter". Apparently there was a Mary Madeliene Miller that lived in my town. Census information shows she was born in the 1860's.
Anyone out there able to tell me what it is and how old it might be? Thanks!

 

[jeff of pa]

I think I can Read Daughter Madelein Miller .

Mary Madeliene, Was probably her Grandmother.

I am "Guessing The hole was to put a Chain Through & It may have been for attaching it to
a Gift.
Maybe even a Set of Keys to a Graduation Gift of a Car.

Or celebratory of a birth of New Daughter.

It is Obvious to me it was made in a Special Metal Typer
Though that's the first one I've seen of that type

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My guess 1950's or 1960's

though the machines were made from 1938 to 1980s
so it can be older or newer

 

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[ANTIQUARIAN]

Welcome to Tnet DKW!
I have to admit I had the same first thought that Jeff did.
Your item is likely made of aluminum or pot metal and was a novelty item from the 50s or 60s.

I've found a couple of these over the years,
Dave

 

[creskol]

Welcome to Tnet DKW!
I have to admit I had the same first thought that Jeff did.
Your item is likely made of aluminum or pot metal and was a novelty item from the 50s or 60s.

I've found a couple of these over the years,
Dave

Is that one you found?

 

[ANTIQUARIAN]

Here's the one I found a few years ago, it's not exactly the same, but note the date
This tells you how old I am... I can still remember putting a dime in the machine at the Canadian National Exhibition in Toronto in 1974 and making one of these for myself.

I had to dig through 5 boxes of misc finds before I finally found it too!
Dave

 

[trdking]

I agree with above and I also have never seen a blank like this without a pattern. Welcome to TNET Now go out and find another cool thing to show us

 

[jeff of pa]

Here is a Solid One

Ridgway of Staffordshire 1905 is a Particular Pattern
Plus all Signs say The Machines didn't come out till 1938

http://www.coinbooks.org/v21/club_nbs_esylum_v21n34.html

Add to that Condition. Tells me it is Not that Old

And this one was Probably in a Souvenir Presentation Box with Something like this,
at a Gift Shop.





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I just noticed this on Yours

Looks Like G.



Anything Else in the Middle ?

 

[Dropkickweasel]

Thanks! Definitely aluminum. It's very light.

 

[Dropkickweasel]

Here is a Solid One

Ridgway of Staffordshire 1905 is a Particular Pattern
Plus all Signs say The Machines didn't come out till 1938

The Numismatic Bibliomania Society E-Sylum: Volume 21, Number 34, August 26, 2018

Add to that Condition. Tells me it is Not that Old

And was Probably in a Souvenir Presentation Box with Something like this,
at a Gift Shop.
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I just noticed this on Yours

Looks Like G.

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Anything Else in the Middle ?

Nothing that I can see in the middle. Just a bunch of oxidation. That Ridgeway design definitely looks similar to what I have.

 

[Rookster]

Welcome to Tnet.

 

[Reanm8er]

Welcome to Tnet Weasel! Interesting find. The designation "Daughter" is unique and puzzling. During the cold war when the Russians were threatening to bury us and kids were being trained to hide under desks and behind walls at school, a strange phenomena took hold. School children were encouraged and often helped to make their own dog tags in case their bodies were later found in the rubble of their homes or schools. In my particular county, sixty miles from the capital, we didn't do that but a few counties over the kids made tags from clay and fired them in a ceramic oven. We all know that aluminum or pot metal would never sustain that kind of heat but it was largely a move to calm kids by letting them think they wouldn't be forgotten. I don't know if this is one of those dog tags but the inscription is kind of odd. On the Wednesday afternoon that the Cuban missile crisis came to a head the local Baptist minister came to our 4 room school and assured us that if the bombs did drop we wouldn't have anything to worry about because we were "All good innocent children in Christ!" and would go straight to heaven without passing go. I wasn't sure I could depend on that since my family were Methodists!

After that, everybody took a step back and thought about what just nearly happened. Then we usually had one bomb drill per school year and not once every month. That kind of stuff leaves and indelible mark.

 

[Reanm8er]

I must have dreamt about this last night because I woke up this morning with a new thought. OK Lets assume this medallion is post 1938. In a hospital nursery infants are often referred to as Baby Miller etc until the birth certificate is finalized. In this case they listed the mother's name and the sex. Perhaps it was pinned on the crib in the hospital nursery with a thumbtack.
The other possibility is a mortuary tag for a stillborn child that was unnamed.
Perhaps Madeline was a hereditary name in the Miller family? Might check Ancestry.com, or death records in the county, post 38 under Miller. When children were born mostly at home midwives were unable to save some infants. The child could have been buried in the back yard along with this tag. There may not have been a record.

How about this one?
Name:
Mary M Miller

Death Date:
15 Jan 1952

Death Location:
Cook County, IL

File Number:
6001473

Archive Collection Name:
Cook County Genealogy Records (Deaths)

Archive repository location:
Chicago, IL

Archive repository name:
Cook County Clerk

 

[Dropkickweasel]

I must have dreamt about this last night because I woke up this morning with a new thought. OK Lets assume this medallion is post 1938. In a hospital nursery infants are often referred to as Baby Miller etc until the birth certificate is finalized. In this case they listed the mother's name and the sex. Perhaps it was pinned on the crib in the hospital nursery with a thumbtack.
The other possibility is a mortuary tag for a stillborn child that was unnamed.
Perhaps Madeline was a hereditary name in the Miller family? Might check Ancestry.com, or death records in the county, post 38 under Miller. When children were born mostly at home midwives were unable to save some infants. The child could have been buried in the back yard along with this tag. There may not have been a record.

How about this one?
Name:
Mary M Miller

Death Date:
15 Jan 1952

Death Location:
Cook County, IL

File Number:
6001473

Archive Collection Name:
Cook County Genealogy Records (Deaths)

Archive repository location:
Chicago, IL

Archive repository name:
Cook County Clerk

That's kind of a spooky thought, but it could be possible. There is a Miller family that lived in town, but they didn't live anywhere near where I found it. That could be her! I definitely want to do more research on that name.

 

[fyrffytr1]

You can also do a search at familysearch.org It is a free site and, to me, is just as good as Ancestry.com. I use it all the time.
https://www.familysearch.org/search...ce_place:Illinois~ +residence_year:1930-1960~

 

[A2coins]

Nice find and great ID

 

[A2coins]

Welcome to tnet!!!!!