🔎 UNIDENTIFIED Coin? Token? Bridle Rosette?

[HeatherM]

Found this at a 1780's farm. The one side appears silver plated with what I call crosshatching around the edges. Of course the details are not showing up great in my photos. The other side of it does not show silver. It is very heavy and makes me think it is lead or pewter with one side being silver plated?? I have searched and searched through old coins, tokens etc and can't seem to find anything with the same rim. I can't make out any other detail front or back. I did find a bridle rosette there as well that is in the last photo. Research shows the rosette might date late 1700s-early 1800s. The shiny side of this thing is more concave and I would think it would be the other way around if it were a rosette. Also found at this site last year was a cut and holed 2 real dated 1700-1746 (my oldest find to date!)

 

[ticndig]

it's a rosette ,I have one a lot like it

 

[HeatherM]

it's a rosette ,I have one a lot like it View attachment 2205195

Yes, yours looks similar to the rosette I found but I'm not convinced the other piece is a rosette. It is flatter.

 

[ticndig]

Yes, yours looks similar to the rosette I found but I'm not convinced the other piece is a rosette. It is flatter.

the back is solder filled, pure lead won't flake like that, solder was used to fill the back on rosettes as well as many civil war buckles and plates.

 

[ticndig]

it seems to have writing around the rim, if so, can you make any of it out?

 

[HeatherM]

it seems to have writing around the rim, if so, can you make any of it out?

Looking through my loupe, I can't seem to make out any letters, just the marks I want to call crosshatch. Little lines that look like little pine trees side by side. haha

 

[HeatherM]

Bummed to not get more replies to this. It took me two days to plan to post and an hour to get good photos! I'll assume it's a rosette.

 

[invent4hir]

Bummed to not get more replies to this. It took me two days to plan to post and an hour to get good photos! I'll assume it's a rosette.

Try not to get too discouraged too soon. You did a great job with the description and pics! My first impression was also a rosette. Your comment that is was flatter got me wondering if it had been crushed, especially since the edges look frayed. Despite that, it is still cool and along with the other artifacts you found there, sounds like the property to keep searching. Remember every artifact has story to tell, if we're willing to listen.

 

[Mason Jarr]

From my experience some rosettes were two piece. The outer, more defined part is usually some sort of stamped metal.... brass, copper, etc. To make the rosette more durable and attach the mounting loop a tin alloy was poured into the back section of the stamped piece. Over time some of these did separate and were discarded. I believe what you have there is the tin alloy piece that was poured into the stamped part. Because the alloy was poured as a molten metal (to adhere to the stamped metal) it naturally took on the detail of the backside of the stamped piece. The "shiny" side was probably the side that was against the stamped part and the dull side would've been exposed. I have a similar piece in my collection from a calvary fort and I'm positive it's as I explained above.

 

[Mason Jarr]

Here's a picture of my tin alloy piece of a two part rosette (on the right). It's similar to what you found and shows detail from molding to the stamped piece. I included the US bridle rosette next to it so you can see the two parts I'm talking about. Front is stamped brass. Back is tin alloy with part of the mounting loop remaining.

 

[dave_e]

rosette for sure

 

[HeatherM]

Try not to get too discouraged too soon. You did a great job with the description and pics! My first impression was also a rosette. Your comment that is was flatter got me wondering if it had been crushed, especially since the edges look frayed. Despite that, it is still cool and along with the other artifacts you found there, sounds like the property to keep searching. Remember every artifact has story to tell, if we're willing to listen.

Thank you. Yes I definitely plan to go back!

 

[HeatherM]

Here's a picture of my tin alloy piece of a two part rosette (on the right). It's similar to what you found and shows detail from molding to the stamped piece. I included the US bridle rosette next to it so you can see the two parts I'm talking about. Front is stamped brass. Back is tin alloy with part of the mounting loop remaining.
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THANK YOU!! I think you are absolutely right. Your example looks very similar to mine and I have learned something tonight! Thank you for a great explanation!!

 

[invent4hir]

THANK YOU!! I think you are absolutely right. Your example looks very similar to mine and I have learned something tonight! Thank you for a great explanation!!

Hi HeatherM, if you think solved, please marked as such - see https://www.treasurenet.com/threads/how-to-mark-your-what-is-it-solved-photo-tutorial.369859/