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I just wanted to give a thank you for giving me some ambition to try all metal mode some more to try and learn with it.....

Also to show other users there is something behind it too. I noticed the all metal seems to be more forgiving with high EMI conditions. Both of these coins were on the faint side as far as signals go.....and NEVER locked on a tight VDI. I dont know if these were both on edge? Or in some mineral dense soil....but the all metal with sense cranked, audio pitch on 9, and thresh. on 1.......which I know is low (but its all I could handle)....seemed to bring these up and out of the ground. :headbang:

http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/today-s-finds/546760-all-metal-mode-unmasked-coins.html
 

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I just wanted to give a thank you for giving me some ambition to try all metal mode some more to try and learn with it.....

Also to show other users there is something behind it too. I noticed the all metal seems to be more forgiving with high EMI conditions. Both of these coins were on the faint side as far as signals go.....and NEVER locked on a tight VDI. I dont know if these were both on edge? Or in some mineral dense soil....but the all metal with sense cranked, audio pitch on 9, and thresh. on 1.......which I know is low (but its all I could handle)....seemed to bring these up and out of the ground. :headbang:

http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/today-s-finds/546760-all-metal-mode-unmasked-coins.html

Well done!
Still my #1 method for hunting in insane iron infested sites...others work well too but all metal is my favorite and fills my treasure pouch the most.
Plus it still astounds me that even with my all metal settings of gain and thresh maxed it still seems to be more stable in heavy EMI filled sites than disc.

It took time for me to get really good at this and it is a bit different looking for ranges of repeating numbers instead of just a few and training yourself to recognize the actual good signals when they pop up but once you can do it you realize there is another language in all that jumping and noise that is just about as good at targeting the better stuff in messy sites as others are in clean sites using other methods.
It's almost like each setting combination has its own little language, quirks and behavior indicators.

For those with an open mind I believe it is possible to become fluent in all of them...with practice.

Glad I could help you find some great treasure...it makes me happy and that is exactly why I pass this stuff on so others can know about it and maybe try it.
 

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Well done!
Still my #1 method for hunting in insane iron infested sites...others work well too but all metal is my favorite and fills my treasure pouch the most.
Plus it still astounds me that even with my all metal settings of gain and thresh maxed it still seems to be more stable in heavy EMI filled sites than disc.

It took time for me to get really good at this and it is a bit different looking for ranges of repeating numbers instead of just a few and training yourself to recognize the actual good signals when they pop up but once you can do it you realize there is another language in all that jumping and noise that is just about as good at targeting the better stuff in messy sites as others are in clean sites using other methods.
It's almost like each setting combination has its own little language, quirks and behavior indicators.

For those with an open mind I believe it is possible to become fluent in all of them...with practice.

Glad I could help you find some great treasure...it makes me happy and that is exactly why I pass this stuff on so others can know about it and maybe try it.

Absolutely about the language and learning in each chosen method.

One thing I'm totally convinced on is that both of those coins.....and even the 1917 wheatie, were to some degree handicapped. Only reason I say that is because they were both shallow. The rosie was about 4 inches deep.....and the largie was possibly 5-6". Both gave odd signals in the ground, and blew my speakers out after opening up the plug and scanning it. The LC more so than the dime. Pretty darn cool. I'm going to hit a few other spots with this method then report back with results. Thanks again. Good luck out there!
 

Also! I noticed wayyyy less iron falsing in the all metal mode too. Just wanted to throw that out there.....possibly why you have such good luck in the iron infested areas? Something interesting.
 

Also! I noticed wayyyy less iron falsing in the all metal mode too. Just wanted to throw that out there.....possibly why you have such good luck in the iron infested areas? Something interesting.

Over time I think lots of this has to do with perception and how our brains process the data we receive through our eyes and ears.
I hunt many sites over and over using different settings and it always amazes me how I can usually find one more great target on one hunt when I completely missed it on others.
Could be luck, could be hitting it from just the right angle in that one instance but not every time because lots of these sites are small areas in parks or tiny lawns in my neighborhood that I have gone over dozens and dozens of times from just about every conceivable direction possible under all kinds of conditions so I believe the settings have a lot to do with it.

I have used all metal with blasted out settings, high disc, high thresh, monotone, multi tones and DP and several combinations of them all and each one has found me targets I, and in public sites countless others, have missed.
This is why I look for and practice hard so many different settings, more arrows in the quiver as it were.

One thing I believe is even though I have had tons of experience hunting with settings so chatty and jumpy that others I hunt with are amazed I can target good signals at all in that mess, on settings that are quieter with less distractions I think I have found more.
The detectors are just machines that give us tones and numbers and behavior according to their programming and it is up to us to decipher what they are actually trying to tell us with the clues they give us...which may be a bit more hidden and not exactly obvious every time.
That I call learning the language and there is more than one for every detector out there IMO.
It may well be the quieter and less distracting ones we can process better, easier, and not pass by masked and strange acting targets we would on another day.
For me this all metal hunting method is quieter and more stable with great indicators, as jumpy and noisy as it still might be, so it works for those that push through the initial confusion and into the realm of understanding.

I discovered this all metal hunting method quite by accident one day, it was in an area that to this day was still the most difficult pulsing, noisy EMI filled site I have ever hunted.
I constantly switch between all metal and disc to check targets and at this place I was hunting in disc but checking a few in all metal.
Both were extremely jumpy but after checking one target using all metal I forgot to switch back to disc and after finding several more targets fairly easily I realized what I was doing and how I was doing it...and that it was working better than disc.
From then on I used it more and more and honed it down until eventually I tried it in a site with insane amounts of iron and trash and discovered it worked best of all the settings and methods I knew to that point.
Serendipity...now it is one of the sharpest most accurate arrows I have in that quiver and in my mineralized and iron infested sites I now hunt a primary weapon.

Like with most things the more you use it, practice it and learn to understand it the better you get and the easier it gets but you seem to have a good handle on it now so I expect more great reports, and treasure, in the future.
 

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Another spot I've been over multiple times. This about 15 yards from power lines. The signal was super quick, and in between other signals. Pretty faint too. This 1921 buffalo rang up in the zinc range, but she's mine now! Lol 20170806_134630.webp
 

Under power lines is not usually the worst spot, out to the side like where you were is usually the most intense.
Plus, you got up-averaged on what sounds like a really short signal.
Despite it all you found and dug treasure, your skill set is growing as we speak.

As your skills grow and get sharper old sites can come alive again...I have experienced this time and time again.
This is a big reason why when people say any site is completely hunted out and not to bother I just can't believe it, I have been told exactly that by some well meaning hunters at a few places but still went on to find great treasure and even bucket list items they never suspected were there in those same sites.
There might not be a whole lot left but nothing...not for those that have some advanced skills and the patience to learn them.
 

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Under power lines is not usually the worst spot, out to the side like where you were is usually the most intense.
Plus, you got up-averaged on what sounds like a really short signal.
Despite it all you found and dug treasure, your skill set is growing as we speak.

As your skills grow and get sharper old sites can come alive again...I have experienced this time and time again.
This is a big reason why when people say any site is completely hunted out and not to bother I just can't believe it, I have been told exactly that by some well meaning hunters at a few places but still went on to find great treasure and even bucket list items they never suspected was there in those same sites.
There might not be a whole lot left but nothing...not for those that have some advanced skills and the patience to learn them.

Believe me. I have you, and Loco digger and a couple others to thank for any growing skills....and knowledge.

I agree totally with the never hunted out theory since I've found literally dozens of silver dimes as far back as barbers at spots that would have obviously held many other targets like bigger silvers but did not. Most of these deep dimes were whisper quiet when detected, and 6-9 down. I figure those were the ones people missed before me. At least it feels good thinking that way...lol.

I never even thought about the up average for the nickel. Makes perfect sense since it sounded like it was in between two other targets tightly. Awesome feature, and even better idea from fisher.
 

Sooooooo, aaaaaa. Yeah. Bucket lister where I found the largie about an hour ago. In amazing shape too!20170807_203019.webp
 

Nice!
The first coin with "In God We Trust" on it, I found only one, an 1865 and still the oldest coin I ever dug.
I remember mine came in as a token and I thought mine was one when I dug it on a special permission club hunt with other members.
After I wiped off the dirt and saw the 2 other club members tell me that's when the yelling began but I don't remember much about that...it is all still like a dream.

Love checking off those bucket listers, a sure sign we are doing something right.
 

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