Points from New York State

[newnan man]

When I was around 14 (long ago) my father who was in the Air Force was talking with a guy he worked with and they got on the topic of arrowheads. My dad mentioned how I was a collector always looking for them. The next day the guy brought these to dad & told him to give them to me. They were from his family's property in NY & he wanted me to have them. That was over 50 yrs ago & I still enjoy seeing them.

 

[Fat]

Another of my favorite kind of frame. That bottom, top after clicking on, white piece with the rounded base is a very unique look piece. There all great, thanks for the show..

 

[OntarioArch]

Here in Central NY / Finger Lakes Region, nearly all NA artifacts are made of gray Onondaga Chert: light gray to dark gray, but gray nevertheless! It's interesting that so many of yours are made of a lighter colored material.

 

[Tony in SC]

Not only good points but also a good selection!

 

[Charl]

That point with two big basal lobes looks like a bifurcate resharpened to the max....

 

[H.P.]

Cool to have a nice collection from another state.

 

[newnan man]

Another of my favorite kind of frame. That bottom, top after clicking on, white piece with the rounded base is a very unique look piece. There all great, thanks for the show..

I don't know where in NY their property was but not Manhattan would be a safe bet!

 

[newnan man]

Not sure where in NY they're from.

 

[MAMucker]

That point with two big basal lobes looks like a bifurcate resharpened to the max....

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Very interesting piece.
Good observation Charlie, but if it was resharpened to that extent, the original size would have been extremely large for any bifurcated type that I’m aware of. If that’s a twelve inch ruler in the picture, the point looks to be about 3” in its current condition.

After really studying it, I’m impressed that there’s something very intentional about its form.

(Adding my thoughts)

 

[Charl]

Very interesting piece.
Good observation Charlie, but if it was resharpened to that extent, the original size would have been extremely large for any bifurcated type that I’m aware of. If that’s a twelve inch ruler in the picture, the point looks to be about 3” in its current condition.

After really studying it, I’m impressed that there’s something very intentional about its form.

(Adding my thoughts)

Cool. I just used a mm scale and measured it against the ruler. Seems to be 2 1/2” long as is. I don’t have a lot of personal experience with bifurcates, finding only about 7 in the last 30 years. Boudreau shows a few broken ones that must have been something over 3”, but they were not resharpened to that extent. Another possibility that would not have a size problem might be Otter Creek. I have seen them with shoulders sharpened away entirely, Boudreau shows a couple, but the concave base seems way too deep....

 

[Charl]

Very interesting piece.
Good observation Charlie, but if it was resharpened to that extent, the original size would have been extremely large for any bifurcated type that I’m aware of. If that’s a twelve inch ruler in the picture, the point looks to be about 3” in its current condition.

After really studying it, I’m impressed that there’s something very intentional about its form.

(Adding my thoughts)

Just enlarged and looked at it again. Unless it’s its own type, not resharpened, and something I’m completely unfamiliar with from the Northeast, I guess I’d still go with bifurcate. Boudreau doesn’t show a size range for any of the bifurcate types, but I would not be surprised if there were large examples out there....

 

[newnan man]

I just measured the white point with the strange base.
2 3/4" . I never had a clue what it was.

 

[MAMucker]

I just measured the white point with the strange base.
2 3/4" . I never had a clue what it was.

That one is strange and very interesting. And I agree with Charlie. Two lobes or two stems is a bifurcated situation.

The double-lobed base seems to be very balanced in regard to symmetry and size and quite spread-out (Charlie, correct me if I’m mistaken) -the approx. 1/2” circular lobes are unusual.
In the central states there is a Point called Rice Lobed, which (I think) share some of the traits with this one. Beveling on the blade edges would be an indication, but I can’t make that out from the one picture. Also, a Rice Lobed Point has prominent barbed or straight shoulders.

Yes, I know I should just let it go.

 

[newnan man]

No beveling. Maybe I'll take it out of the case & take a few more pics later.

 

[Charl]

That one is strange and very interesting. And I agree with Charlie. Two lobes or two stems is a bifurcated situation.

The double-lobed base seems to be very balanced in regard to symmetry and size and quite spread-out (Charlie, correct me if I’m mistaken) -the approx. 1/2” circular lobes are unusual.
In the central states there is a Point called Rice Lobed, which (I think) share some of the traits with this one. Beveling on the blade edges would be an indication, but I can’t make that out from the one picture. Also, a Rice Lobed Point has prominent barbed or straight shoulders.

Yes, I know I should just let it go.

Well, I do tell my friends not to knock themselves out with typology of surface finds. Boudreau himself shows how some types can overlap. Even a small stem can be a resharpened Neville!!

One reason I thought Otter Creek is because I have one with nice round lobes. I’ve checked this one against all of Boudreau’s many examples, and I decided this had the best set of ears going, hahaha. If I do say so myself, lol...

 

[newnan man]

Here's a few more views.

 

[MAMucker]

Well, I do tell my friends not to knock themselves out with typology of surface finds. Boudreau himself shows how some types can overlap. Even a small stem can be a resharpened Neville!!

One reason I thought Otter Creek is because I have one with nice round lobes. I’ve checked this one against all of Boudreau’s many examples, and I decided this had the best set of ears going, hahaha. If I do say so myself, lol...
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Gave me a chuckle there!

 

[Itownguy]

I have a nephew who lives in Saratoga Springs and while boating in Sar
atoga Lake and wading in shallow water came across these artifacts as well as other broken pieces. They are all black except the one white piece. Is all of them black because of the area of New York.?

 

[OntarioArch]

I have a nephew who lives in Saratoga Springs and while boating in Sar
atoga Lake and wading in shallow water came across these artifacts as well as other broken pieces. They are all blackView attachment 1905072 except the one white piece. Is all of them black because of the area of New York.?

I think these pieces deserve their own thread: why not post again under your own thread title: my only input is they look water stained to me. Unusual form for NY and New England area, for sure. Appear to be cache blades!

 

[newnan man]

I have a nephew who lives in Saratoga Springs and while boating in Sar
atoga Lake and wading in shallow water came across these artifacts as well as other broken pieces. They are all blackView attachment 1905072 except the one white piece. Is all of them black because of the area of New York.?

I agree those need a new thread with more pics. Close ups. Nice finds!