Potawatomie Indian's missing scrolls

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I did search this site and did not find anything on this. I wasn't sure where to place this but, it is about a native relic so I thought this might be the best place with all of the knowledge in native history. I first ran across the info about a year ago reading a diary from Isaac McCoy in the state archives. This discovery was in the notes. I can't find the original source since. My off and on research has only found three mentions of it. All seeming to be referencing the same article from 1851 in New York Times which lines up with this info.

This excerpt is from the Citizen Potawatomie Nation website...

Mysterious treasure
Jude’s (Bourassa) enterprise also included a boarding house. Kansas’ first Territorial Governor William H. Hutter wrote a letter about an intriguing item during his stay at Jude’s in 1854, which may link the Potawatomi to the Ten Lost Tribes of Israel.

“He has four slips of parchment covered with Hebrew manuscript, which he has sent to Washington and had translated and which prove to be extracts from the 13th chapter of Exodus and 6th chapter of Deuteronomy, and relate principally to the Passover,” Hutter said in his letter.

Jude procured the artifacts from a chief whose family secretly kept them for generations.

“Mr. B. says there is very good evidence of the tribe having had them for 200 or 250 years, and the tradition accompanying them is that the Red men brought them along with them into this Island, as they call the Continent, and that some day they were to be called for,” Hutter wrote.

“They are rolled in small flat rolls, and inserted in a stiff, hard box about 2 inches each way, the outsides of which are made of repeated thicknesses of parchment, closely and solidly compressed together and blacked outside with considerable polish. On each end is an ornament consisting of three or four long stalks, each having a bulb at the end, which may represent fruit or flower. — This box has four compartments one for each of the rolls. Around the open top of the box a square rim projects of about half-inch, and the same piece of parchment (double) which makes this rim, folds over and makes a cover, and this was closely and solidly sewed down, and the outside finished like the body of the box — so that it was impervious to air or water,” he said.

Oral tradition indicates the Potawatomi once had two of these boxes, but during a migration, a box went missing after a canoe tipped.

“All recollection of the time and place is lost. It is impossible they could have got these things from the Missionaries, for at 200 or 250 years ago none were among them, and if they were they would have no reason for giving these remembrances of the Passover to the Indians,” Hutter said. “Besides the earliest Missionaries they did meet were Catholics, and it is a well known fact that all their amulets are in Latin, and of a different character from that of these extracts. Again Mr. B. tells me that this particular kind of box for the preservation of texts of Scripture, has been, and is in use among the Jews, and that a Jew who saw it in his possession recognized it at once as a Jewish box.”

Jon’s brother Lyman Boursaw said, “It’s possible that the Knights Templar brought artifacts over in an attempt to provide protection from outside invasions. Some believe the Knights Templar buried the artifacts on Oak Island,” which is in present-day Nova Scotia, Canada.

Bourassa family rumor has it Jude sent the artifacts to Washington D.C. for authentication. What happened to the scrolls since is unknown, Lyman said.


I'd love to know more about this. Does anyone know any more info? Was the Smithsonian part of the re-patriation effort? Is it in an attic somewhere?
Surely it is somewhere in a lost state, waiting to be returned? Although the history is somewhat forgotten, it shakes up the "normal pattern of thinking" by anthropologists and archaeologists. I'd like to hear your thoughts on this subject.
 
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https://www.potawatomi.org/blog/2018/10/31/the-curious-case-of-bourassa-mill-is-missing-scrolls/

This was the first thing I read. It’s the main excerpt regarding our family that actually came from 5 letters written about traveling to Kansas during that time by William H. Hutter that was posted in the NYT like you referenced starting out as letters from the editor. (https://www.google.com/search?clien...BHZ5BInIQ7xYoAHoECAwQAQ&biw=402&bih=677&dpr=3)

After that I posted about it on our tribes fb page and kind of got attacked for the lost tribe of Israel conspiracy attached to it. It took some back and forth for them to understand I’m not a religious fanatic I’m just intrigued by the mystery and the actual missing artifact that belonged to my family and our tribe. It made me feel kid like excitement to find a mystery involving my family and “treasure”. I couldn’t help it. I litera said cue me making a national treasure movie lol. Anyways I spoke to some cousins after but didn’t really get anywhere. Its shrouded in mystery and disbelief. I’m hoping at the family reunion this year I’ll get to talk to some elders or cousins that actually carry the same last name who have maybe heard more of the oral history of it. We’ll see 🤞. It really sucks though my grandmother never heard these stories or anything about our great grandfather. My direct line has been disconnected for a few generations now and I’m trying to help us find our way back home. I enjoy finding things here and there and appreciate you posting about this. Every clue leads me to another personal treasure and maybe someday we’ll find the big one 😉

Migwetch (Thank You)

Bama Pi (Later On)

-Fox
Absolutely. I appreciate you finding this and chiming in!

Yes the lost tribe part is not why I started this thread, I am looking for info about the artifact, where did it come from, how did they use it, etc...

I hope you get some good info from your family and you can share it here. Any insight you can gain would be most helpful. Thank you
 
I did search this site and did not find anything on this. I wasn't sure where to place this but, it is about a native relic so I thought this might be the best place with all of the knowledge in native history. I first ran across the info about a year ago reading a diary from Isaac McCoy in the state archives. This discovery was in the notes. I can't find the original source since. My off and on research has only found three mentions of it. All seeming to be referencing the same article from 1851 in New York Times which lines up with this info.

This excerpt is from the Citizen Potawatomie Nation website...

Mysterious treasure
Jude’s (Bourassa) enterprise also included a boarding house. Kansas’ first Territorial Governor William H. Hutter wrote a letter about an intriguing item during his stay at Jude’s in 1854, which may link the Potawatomi to the Ten Lost Tribes of Israel.

“He has four slips of parchment covered with Hebrew manuscript, which he has sent to Washington and had translated and which prove to be extracts from the 13th chapter of Exodus and 6th chapter of Deuteronomy, and relate principally to the Passover,” Hutter said in his letter.

Jude procured the artifacts from a chief whose family secretly kept them for generations.

“Mr. B. says there is very good evidence of the tribe having had them for 200 or 250 years, and the tradition accompanying them is that the Red men brought them along with them into this Island, as they call the Continent, and that some day they were to be called for,” Hutter wrote.

“They are rolled in small flat rolls, and inserted in a stiff, hard box about 2 inches each way, the outsides of which are made of repeated thicknesses of parchment, closely and solidly compressed together and blacked outside with considerable polish. On each end is an ornament consisting of three or four long stalks, each having a bulb at the end, which may represent fruit or flower. — This box has four compartments one for each of the rolls. Around the open top of the box a square rim projects of about half-inch, and the same piece of parchment (double) which makes this rim, folds over and makes a cover, and this was closely and solidly sewed down, and the outside finished like the body of the box — so that it was impervious to air or water,” he said.

Oral tradition indicates the Potawatomi once had two of these boxes, but during a migration, a box went missing after a canoe tipped.

“All recollection of the time and place is lost. It is impossible they could have got these things from the Missionaries, for at 200 or 250 years ago none were among them, and if they were they would have no reason for giving these remembrances of the Passover to the Indians,” Hutter said. “Besides the earliest Missionaries they did meet were Catholics, and it is a well known fact that all their amulets are in Latin, and of a different character from that of these extracts. Again Mr. B. tells me that this particular kind of box for the preservation of texts of Scripture, has been, and is in use among the Jews, and that a Jew who saw it in his possession recognized it at once as a Jewish box.”

Jon’s brother Lyman Boursaw said, “It’s possible that the Knights Templar brought artifacts over in an attempt to provide protection from outside invasions. Some believe the Knights Templar buried the artifacts on Oak Island,” which is in present-day Nova Scotia, Canada.

Bourassa family rumor has it Jude sent the artifacts to Washington D.C. for authentication. What happened to the scrolls since is unknown, Lyman said.


I'd love to know more about this. Does anyone know any more info? Was the Smithsonian part of the re-patriation effort? Is it in an attic somewhere?
Surely it is somewhere in a lost state, waiting to be returnedaquired? Although the history is somewhat forgotten, it shakes up the "normal pattern of thinking" by anthropologists and archaeologists. I'd like to hear your thoughts on this subject.

What nation was the old Chief of that Jude acquired the box from?
Being near the Pottawatomie station doesn't mean the Chief and Jude had not crossed paths elsewhere. Or that the Chief was Pottawatomie.

 
What nation was the old Chief of that Jude acquired the box from?
Being near the Pottawatomie station doesn't mean the Chief and Jude had not crossed paths elsewhere. Or that the Chief was Pottawatomie.

Jude is Potawatomi and the artifact was in his family's medicine bag passed down for generations
 
Jude is Potawatomi and the artifact was in his family's medicine bag passed down for generations

O.K..
You write Jude was .
How do I know that?
Why didn't you include that earlier? What else should the reader know?

Medicine bag? TIny box or big bag?

Pottawatomi and French/breed relation maybe.
With our letter writer William I'm surprised he could get the time of day from a native. Cash money excepted. Some French were similar. Yet Jude is divulging. Why? Could it be an enticement for a would be treasure hunter? Mention was made of property (claims) being flipped that can be confirmed by multiple sources. And of people that were paid to help settlers/travelers that were ganking them instead. Given the clime at the time....And more so after the authors group scrounging relics at a former native occupied site...Do you get the gist of a potential bait being discretely /exclusively dangled near the intrepid fortune seekers? The native pay station was near. Yet no one there had acquired the relic(scrolls box) from Jude? Sure he may not have wanted to part with it. It being from the Chief after all. (?)

Another point being why the Chief transferred the box to whom he did. Vs. a native preserving what had been being preserved all along.
Why were there Pottawatomi in Kansas? Were I put there from Mi. I assure you that before assigning it to a French halfbreed or even native of another nation my history would remain with my people. More so after being displaced to Kansas.

The first fort St. Joseph in Mi. is still unaccounted for in location last I knew.
Above it or the second fort St. Joseph on high ground likely in sight of the lake should still exist pottery shards , tempering material and hearth stains from seasonal Pottawatomi activity.
Below the Ottawa activity to the North should then be other sign and former habitants evidence.
With the ancestors bones is where I'd expect to find cultural relics.
I didn't ask the last spoken with Pottawatomi where tangible historical earliest records of a particular clan is hidden. Let alone the entire nation. That fort and the occupation near it might be a better treasure than rumored scrolls you can't prove the origins of. How would you prove whom the scrolls should belong to if you could locate them? Let alone the original source.
In Jude's hands in Kansas perhaps. Stranger things may have happened.
Part of what did happen was that not all precious historical relics headed West by force. Nor did all natives.

Provenance is in want of steps beyond a letter written by someone who....Well someone who by his writing isn't the type to expect anyone to share much of anything precious with without a potential good reason benefitting the holder.
Did you read his letters?
Try to put yourself in one when he's ogling and evaluating your woman folk amid his complaining and tell me how much you want to share in confidence with such a character.

Did anyone tell big fish stories to travelers? Heck most of them were seeing Kansas due to stories.

Find provenance of Jewish scrolls in a medicine bag beyond a story in a letter by one individual.
Bandoleer style bag? Tiny neck pouch?
I don't speak for the Chief but how would scrolls of unknown acquisition be his personal medicine? And did his medicine change after becoming a chief? If not when did he start wearing the box of scrolls?
Or am I just supposed to believe a given story?
 
I feel like you’re being a little condescending towards our people while at the same time you’re not speaking accurately of the events and either way I don’t really appreciate it. Maybe it’s just me but it kind of hits me wrong. Like It’s as if you’re implying we were/are unintelligent people and I can assure you that is most definitely not the case and the furthest thing from the truth. We didn’t write the scrolls. They were given to us. The article states Jude said there is evidence to believe the tribe had possession of them for about 200 to 250 years at that point in time (1854). There were two but one got lost when a canoe tipped in the river, is what was said. 😉

Migwetch (thank you)

-Fox
I have always believed in a missing tribe of Israel. The magazine "Ancient American" has had articles relating to it in the past. Prince Madoc supposedly found blue eyed, blond hair, fair skinned people living along one of the river basins off the upper Mississippi in the 1060's or thereabouts. It was after the Battle of Hastings I believe, when he and several ships set sail for the copper rich areas of the great lakes.
Fascinating possibilities only need time and energy to explore.
 
ECREE! “Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence”. Presently, there is no evidence of Welsh presence in pre-Columbus America.
 

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