Question about bent tree markers

[ericwt]

Is there anyone who knows where I can get information on bent tree markers? The History and who used them.

Is there any general guidelines for following them. Did they mark symbols in certain places on the tree?

I had posted a photo of a tree before I was looking for general information. I do not care if some people do not believe in Indian Tree markers (BowdeY).

I also acknowledge some trees are bent through natural causes, like lightning strikes or other trees falling.

I know Indians used them. Any information would be helpful.

Thanks

ericwt

 

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[River Rat]

Eric,

I found this if it helps any... http://www.smokymountainnews.com/issues/06_05/06_15_05/mtn_voices.html

 

[ericwt]

That is what I needed.

Thanks. You rule!

RR

You might find some of the trees in your area are these kind.

The Key to treasure is knowing the trail. Outlaws and confederates used indian trails.

ericwt

 

[Rebel]

Yo! Rebel here: Indian Trail Trees have ALWAYS been around... especially as trail/signal markers for Native Americans (AKA Indians); starting from deer paths... to Indian trails... to settlers "roads" to "Turn-pikes"... to "old roads"... to the Hghways of today; wanna see "pics"... go to www.trailtree.com/Tree.htm ; I think there was a web-site called INDIAN TRAIL TREES OF GEORGIA:
DYER CONNECTION with "pics" of various kinds of trees and purposes, etc. that I found VERY helpful... Remember, they will ALWAYS talk about the "nose" of tree pointing in the direction, U should go; it is really the ELBOW... raise your arms "up" in a 45 degree angle and the "knob" is the "pointer"... thus the "bow" points the way...

 

[Rebel]

Yo! Rebel here: Found my copy of that one web-site... it was DYER CONSEQUENCES (Dire Consequences ?!? ) Indian Trail Trees of Georgia... they had the BEST "pics", info, with HOME PAGE, TRAIL TREES GIFT SHOP; FAQ'S/INFORMATION... "PICS" & MORE "PICS"! I just can't stop yelling about 'em... They were at: http://home.net/~trailtrees/ Can't find 'em now...

 

[River Rat]

Eric,

Here's the other site I found... http://www.sicc.sk.ca/heritage/ethnography/dnl/transportation/trees_rocks.html

RR

 

[bytheriver]

Eric

Here are some more sites that will interest you...

I was introduced to Indian Thong Trail Trees in 1971..happy to see others interested.

http://www.roundrockjournal.com/?p=195

http://www.ibsgwatch.imagedjinn.com/sites/forsythtrees1.htm#history

http://www.trailtree.com/Tree.htm

River

 

[dowser 501]

Hi by the river.Thanks for introducing me to "Indian Thong Trees." a little while ago on this forum. You gave me one huge surprise as they are here on coastal areas in quantities, used by the Jesuits in Victoria Australia, the Jesuits were prolific here mining and cachingfrom the beginning of the 17th century to the latter part of the 18th century.

They were very busily engaged in caching local mining proceeds of gold plus caching gold and silver from the Americas. WE have many miles of coastline with younger versions of Indian thong trees no doubt copied off the native Indians of the Americas. Going by the approximate age of our local Indian thong trees , the American versions must be at least 4-500 years old. Ours are only babies in comparisons, but are still evidence of early occupation of Australia by Spanish Jesuits. Thanks again for that valuable tip off. Max

 

[bytheriver]

Thanks Dowser...and all others; another friend of Indian Thong Trees!

Once you see one you never quite get over it.

River

 

[kcm]

-- UPDATE --

Just tried all of the links posted in this thread. None work anymore. Too bad!

 

[jeff of pa]

me either

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[jeff of pa]

for the Record I can find many Bent trees around here.
I see them while driving.

Non of them look over 50 Years old.

To me this disproves anyone, other then maybe the Bender.
can trust they mean anything

 

[Chadeaux]

-- UPDATE --

Just tried all of the links posted in this thread. None work anymore. Too bad!

Probably because ByTheRiver has been gone from the forum for almost 8 years now.

What questions did you have and I'll get you CURRENT links to the information, or send you the answers directly.

Be well.

 

[Chadeaux]

for the Record I can find many Bent trees around here.
I see them while driving.

Non of them look over 50 Years old.

To me this disproves anyone, other then maybe the Bender.
can trust they mean anything

Watch the video I posted in this thread http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/t...732-bent-trees-documentary-helps-explain.html

I can't speak to what you've seen, but I know what I know because I've done the "boots on the ground" investigating and have other resources as well.

BTW, I guess Bonsai trees can't be hundreds of years old either. They're so little. LOL!

Actually, some trees do have r-e-t-a-r-d-e-d (as in "slowed") growth because (similar to Bonsai) the shaping involves binding and cutting (including pruning of limbs) to achieve the shapes.

Done by lightning and another tree falling on it? See post #18 in this thread: http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/north-american-indian-artifacts/201286-signal-tree-pics-2.html

Keziah tree is proven to predate Columbus .... and the shapes are quite clear ...

http://www.ahgweb.com/mypics/keziah.jpg

 

[Chadeaux]

BTW, I've seen trees less than 10" dia cored that were proven to predate our Constitution.

 

[kcm]

Yes, many trees grow slower than others, and many factors may be involved. Being a woodworker most of my life (mostly hobby), I've seen people training vines and even trees to grow a certain way. Read an article a few years back in Farm Show magazine that told of a guy that "invested" in making unique trees. He'd go out and bend them, check them periodically and, when he knew what he wanted to make with one, he'd harvest it. Was really fascinating! ...Just don't ask me where he was located or what type(s) of trees he worked with. If it was before yesterday that I read it, I wouldn't remember!! ...I know of other people who will form willow, for example. OH!! And another guy who makes willow furniture, and will often make the willows grow in a certain shape for what he wants.

This is just the first time I've heard about people doing it to larger trees to use as markers. Pretty ingenious, if you ask me! Such a shape could tell a lot of information....so long as you know how to tell the difference between a manmade bend and nature-made.

 

[jeff of pa]

Watch the video I posted in this thread http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/t...732-bent-trees-documentary-helps-explain.html

I can't speak to what you've seen, but I know what I know because I've done the "boots on the ground" investigating and have other resources as well.

BTW, I guess Bonsai trees can't be hundreds of years old either. They're so little. LOL!

Actually, some trees do have r-e-t-a-r-d-e-d (as in "slowed") growth because (similar to Bonsai) the shaping involves binding and cutting (including pruning of limbs) to achieve the shapes.

Done by lightning and another tree falling on it? See post #18 in this thread: http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/north-american-indian-artifacts/201286-signal-tree-pics-2.html

Keziah tree is proven to predate Columbus .... and the shapes are quite clear ...

http://www.ahgweb.com/mypics/keziah.jpg

I'll take your Word for it. That Flute was driving me crazy at the Beginning of the Vid. & drove me away.

 

[jeff of pa]

BTW, I've seen trees less than 10" dia cored that were proven to predate our Constitution.

Again, I'll take your word for that, I'm sure you know more about trees then I.

But when I see 10" round trees around here.
I figure they are all fresh grows.
because some I know for a fact are

 

[jeff of pa]

this ones not as Pronounced, or it's the angle
of the google camera. but besides trees that are bent like they are Pointing in the woods

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I counted at last 3 maybe 5 the other day that were curved like this
as i was driving home from the store. & all were near the same thickness,
Curved like that, and within maybe 500 feet of each other.
Driving 55 I probably missed some.

The area really never had people other then Miners stripping the land so

and there is a tree something like this , but with 2 going up on it there also



and the area is an embankment going down along side the road.
so no doubt it was never used land.

I'm sure in Some cases people did Bend trees.
as a Kid I used to tie knots in small easily tied trees.
Never remembered where or went back to see if they Grew.
Just thinking nature does the same thing at times

 

[Wyoming Valley Relics]

attachment doesnt work jeff. i see them up here too in cow pastures . They are damaged (stepped on or bitten by animals) when small and young and if they don;t die they grow up bent.