Scabbard found

[kiddcrappie]

Not sure what war it came from, but found on a Ranch
in Blueridge Tx 2 months ago

 

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[Peyton Manning]

ummm that's not a scabbard, it's a bayonet
the scabbard is what the bayonet goes into

 

[kiddcrappie]

sorry not familiar with em

 

[Peyton Manning]

no worries, I would love to find one. it looks old but I'm not an expert on them
someone will know it's age

 

[Peyton Manning]

military base nearby? or history of CW battles?

 

[kiddcrappie]

I have a lot of things to show from indian to civil war also.Yes there was civil and war war 2 came threw these parts. I also have found pre all war stuff I will be posting,thanks

 

[Peyton Manning]

ok, now I'm jealous! but keep posting anyway, nice finds

 

[Frankyg]

I'm not any sort of expert but it looks like a British WW1 bayonet for a Lee Enfield rifle.

 

[kiddcrappie]

thanks

 

[SCDigginWithAK]

I would say between WW1 to Vietnam. The design isn't CW era. I personally think WW1 or WW2

 

[CoilyGirl]

Can't wait to see what the experts say. A full intact sword is always a great find!

 

[NOLA_Ken]

Looks like a WW1 era Springfield bayonet. Any markings left on it?

 

[Citiboy289]

Looks almost like a 1903 springfield Bayonet look around the base where the blade meets the handle should have a military ordnance mark Search ebay 1903 springfield bayonet SEARCH IMAGES Google or bing 1903 springfield bayonet

 

[BosnMate]

Here are a couple of images that might help you date your find. The easiest way is if the rust hadn't obliterated the date, the of year manufacture will be stamped right in front of guard on the blade, along with the ordinance stamp. These particular style bayonets were manufactured apparently from 1905 until 1953, and if the date on the blade can't be read, then the type of grip will give an approximate date. The early grips were wood, then in 1942 they were a plastic (bakelite?) material. Sometime in there a lot of those bayonets were cut in two and a new point put on them, but that's getting kind of above my pay grade, and one of those isn't what you found anyhow. The last two pictures are a model 1903 Springfield with an bayonet dated 1942, and the other is an M1 Garand with the shortened version of the same bayonet, but I don't remember the date on that one.

 

[BosnMate]

Oh yes, I was going to agree with Citiboy, you found a Springfield bayonet. If there is an initial SA above the date, that means it was manufactured at Springfield armory, there were other manufacturing facilities, one is RA, but again, I don't know what that stands for. I'm not an expert, just know enough to be dangerous.

 

[SCDigginWithAK]

Here are a couple of images that might help you date your find. The easiest way is if the rust hadn't obliterated the date, the of year manufacture will be stamped right in front of guard on the blade, along with the ordinance stamp. <img src="http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=839045"/> These particular style bayonets were manufactured apparently from 1905 until 1953, and if the date on the blade can't be read, then the type of grip will give an approximate date. <img src="http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=839047"/> The early grips were wood, then in 1942 they were a plastic (bakelite?) material. Sometime in there a lot of those bayonets were cut in two and a new point put on them, but that's getting kind of above my pay grade, and one of those isn't what you found anyhow. The last two pictures are a model 1903 Springfield with an bayonet dated 1942, and the other is an M1 Garand with the shortened version of the same bayonet, but I don't remember the date on that one. <img src="http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=839052"/> <img src="http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=839053"/>

Man I've passed up so many bayonets because I didn't know how to date them. Thanks so much for posting this!

 

[NOLA_Ken]

I just looked at it again, and what I think you actually have is a bayonet for the P-17 Enfield rifle. These were made by a few different makers here in the US including Remington and Winchester for the British during WW1, and were also used extensively by American troops. I've heard they were actually far more common than the Springfield because they were much cheaper to produce. The end of the grip is different from the Springfield bayonet.


The same bayonet also fit the Winchester 97 trench sweeper.



Interesting side note on the P-17 rifle, The ones made for the British were chambered in .303, while the ones made for the US Army were chambered in 30-06. At the beginning of WW2 thousands of the American version rifles were shipped to England for the Home Guard under Lend/Lease. Those guns all had a red band painted on the buttstock to avoid people trying to chamber the wrong round in them.

 

[BosnMate]

I just looked at it again, and what I think you actually have is a bayonet for the P-17 Enfield rifle. These were made by a few different makers here in the US including Remington and Winchester for the British during WW1, and were also used extensively by American troops. I've heard they were actually far more common than the Springfield because they were much cheaper to produce. The end of the grip is different from the Springfield bayonet.
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The same bayonet also fit the Winchester 97 trench sweeper.

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Interesting side note on the P-17 rifle, The ones made for the British were chambered in .303, while the ones made for the US Army were chambered in 30-06. At the beginning of WW2 thousands of the American version rifles were shipped to England for the Home Guard under Lend/Lease. Those guns all had a red band painted on the buttstock to avoid people trying to chamber the wrong round in them.

Good eye. Note the difference in the handles/grips.
1917 Enfield
Springfield dated 1911, but the grips stayed the same on them all the years of their manufacture, the difference was either wood or plastic. My father bought an Enfield after WWII, paid $8.50 for it. Cut it all up and sporterized it. Not long ago I saw one that had been left original military, for sale in Cabella's store, and they wanted over $1000. Story of my life.

 

[NOLA_Ken]

Oh yes, I was going to agree with Citiboy, you found a Springfield bayonet. If there is an initial SA above the date, that means it was manufactured at Springfield armory, there were other manufacturing facilities, one is RA, but again, I don't know what that stands for. I'm not an expert, just know enough to be dangerous.

RA is Raritan Arsenal, Which was in New Jersey from 1917 to 1963.

I bought a P-17 20 years ago, made by Remington Eddystone Arsenal, I paid 175$ I wish I still had it, it was a really great shooting rifle.