Hi BuckRam, I notice you are fast with the correct information on post,You gave Jlar a couple sites on his items found today.The second site i cant get to come up.Are you familiar with White Hoag co? I posted a metal in general deteting on june 16,page two.I have found that this was a company that made many items and aswell advertisement metals/fob's but have yet had any luck on the two metals i posted.Thanks for any help and your a great resource to this forum,-HH-Jarman