Shadows

[Pala Y Pico]

Hello Springfield,

I see the shadow soldier clearly, with your red out line.

I see happy man and zigzag clearly on the second picture, but zigzag is not so clear on the first.

I can not see shadow soldier on the second picture. Will you post the first picture without the red out line?

If this is not a Spanish soldier, what other type of soldier fits your criteria.

Sorry for my lack of imagination on this one.

here pala , reply #104 http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,255661.100.html

Thanks for the link, kanny - saved me from re-posting.

Pick & Shovel, for lack of a better answer, I would say that the outline would be called a 'Spanish soldier', although I guess it could be something else.

Gracias Kanabite and Springfield,

I see the Spanish soldier clearly with out the red ouline.

 

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[desertmoons]

Very interesting discussion. Cw, it is interesting the history of shadows signs seems to be hidden. If Natives used them they were not the only ones. IMHO Jesuit did not learn it from Natives that is..if they used them. Or perhaps we just do not know the proper terminology for it. Thank you much for posting that. I'll say this, extensive study of art history did not pan out, though a quite enjoyable endeavor.


Steve your snake reminded of this which I think of as a more modern attempt at resembling petroglyphs.


Rangler, you make me laugh. Same old propaganda techniques. And fishing techniques.

 

[Springfield]

....
12. Springfield has long be a disinformation player...he cultivates favor from the modern day Jesuits
by providing them cover for the past atrocities to enclude slavery of the Indians, beatings,mutilations,working them to death all at mines owned and operated by the Jesuits~! + slave trading for profit and buying and selling of Indian Children for house hold slaves.....

i think i laughed so hard at number 12 i peed my pants .
thats almost as funny as when you called him a fed in another post .
you know what Rangler , Steve and I have not always had the same opinion on these kind of things , but i respect him .
he puts something (his latest pictures ) on here that I personally feel has merit , and you come ringing the same old bell .
IMO your Jesuits were plagiarist and thieves , deal with it.

Yeah, when he says stuff like that it leaves me slack-jawed.

 

[kanabite]

CJ, solved you say?
maybe your just getting started.
http://books.google.com/books?id=Yw...&ved=0CDAQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=pleiades&f=false

no offence intended BTW . one of those links you put up is really really good!

 

[Springfield]

We're all entitled to our own opinions, CJ. Nobody can dispute that the Pleiades constellation holds an extremely prominent position in the mythologies of many who have proceeded us on Earth - that's obvious to any reader of history and anthropology. However, I fail to see a connection between the constellation and the petroglyphs in the photos just because Pleiades has seven stars. After all, seven is a number well known in history and has many associations with many cultures for many reasons. You may as well connect the carvings to the site plan of the Roman Forum - after all, Rome was built on Seven hills. Your observations are interesting in a general way, but I think you're a bit premature claiming a 'solution' to the meaning of the carvings. You haven't really 'proven' anything that I could accept at this time. Care to expound a bit?

 

[Springfield]

Hi. Mr. Springfield, God Bless you !!! It is perfectly alright to not agree with me. God has blessed each one of us with the free agency to think for ourselves. The New Mexico Archeological Society can further verify these claims if you wish to talk to them. They are very friendly and God Blessed people.

Here, allow me to further help you. Get your exact Lat & Long, exact compass directions for your glyphs. If you can go there are night, align the symbols with the sky, and I believe you will have the answers you seek. If you wish to give me that information, I will build the appropriate star charts for you.

God Bless you Mr. Springfield!!!!!

What??!! I'm having a strange feeling that you are emerging as another rangler alter ego. Of course, I could be wrong. I'd like to see what the NMAS had to tell you - care to post the email?

By the way, no offense intended, but you can save the copius 'God Blesses' for someone else.

 

[cw0909]

DM,thanks for the idea,cant remember for sure,but i think i plugged in jesuits,light,shadow,art,
and found this,so maybe your right,we just dont know what to call it,to find the info

JMO,i think it is, in the realm of possibility,that someone may have,read up on this,and had an idea.
im just not sure how that someone,jumped to shadow sign,maybe a discussion around a camp fire
and joe talked about their shadows,being displayed from the camp fire,and bob says i read about
a device......could the development of shadow sign have been that simple
-----------------------------------
Athanasius Kircher,wrote,and sketched about a device,made by Giovanni Fontana,the inventor of what was later called the magic lantern
In 1646, Kircher published Ars Magna Lucis et Umbrae, on the subject of the display of images on a screen using an apparatus similar to the magic lantern as developed by Christiaan Huygens and others. Kircher described the construction of a "catotrophic lamp" that used reflection to project images on the wall of a darkened room. Although Kircher did not invent the device, he made improvements over previous models, and suggested methods by which exhibitors could use his device. Much of the significance of his work arises from Kircher's rational approach towards the demystification of projected images.[18] Previously such images had been used in Europe to mimic supernatural appearances (Kircher himself cites the use of displayed images by the rabbis in the court of King Solomon). Kircher stressed that exhibitors should take great care to inform spectators that such images were purely naturalistic, and not magical in origin.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athanasius_Kircher

more on the magic lantern
History
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_lantern

Athanasius Kircher sketch
http://www.stanford.edu/group/kircher/cgi-bin/site/?attachment_id=555

A selection of images from works by and related to Athanasius Kircher
http://www.stanford.edu/group/kircher/cgi-bin/site/?page_id=517

Athanasius Kircher
Born
2 May 1601 or 1602
Geisa, Abbacy of Fulda
Died
27 November or 28 November 1680
Rome
Nationality
German
Religion
Roman Catholicism (Jesuit scientist-priest)[1]

 

[kanabite]

nice stuff CW .

Hi Steve,
so i see i lost a post oh well . first time in a long time , moderator action i guess ....
and either charlie jr. took his ball and went home or your right .hmmmm

been meaning to ask what happened to that one Gypsy mining company guy as well . same kind of MO , hit and run .

sorry your topic is a disaster from all the Elvis leaving the building crap , makes it hard to follow now . any way the boys and i and the one girl were discussing if you might be interested in coming back .
chew the fat , less stress , everyone promised to behave . or at least be civil. LOL
let me know if your interested and ill make it happen .
heck i felt bad when you got cut , that was my bad .
sorry about that , guess we all are human and I for one am not infallible.

 

[kanabite]

Yes, I removed my posts. I am not Rangler or a drive-by poster. I decided to see (wait and watch)what was said in my absence. As sad as it is to say this, now my actions are justified. I love to help people and I am a God loving man, and very Civil as well. But, there are times I feel my help is neither wanted or respected. It is because of the words of others, that I have chosen to remove my posts.

My greater flaw is that I have chosen to help others without thought of myself, but the reality is I know after the fact of what people think of me, and my abilities.

I do wish all of you well.

Good luck, and God Bless

well sorry you feel that way . it is very hard to keep track of these subjects when someone post stuff then pulls it for whatever reason . Spingfield is brutally honest , always has been . you have to read his posts carefully and take into consideration that what he has said is not a personal attack but a solid opinion. personally i would rather have someone be honest than others who i have seen peddle false hope ,not talking about you . does that make sense ?

 

[kanabite]

alright CJ ,
anyway i have gotten far away from the topic at hand . generally a good time for me to shut up .
I wanted to make an observation though about Springfield's pictures .
that little thing he demonstrated with his "happy man " pointing at the zig zag, and the zig zag being a ridge line in the distance.,
is something that I feel is extremely important .
I always thought of that kind of set up as being a "map by sight" sort of thing .
its almost like kenworthy's description of the alpha /omega .
now this is personal opinion and i am not saying this means Steve's site is Spanish or Jesuit .
but none the less that type of mapping is overlooked by folks and it might be very important .
Steve said something about that is the way things were done before more reliable maps of an area were available .
( and that might be true in some cases)
ya i know its almost so simple it makes it hard . and it might truly be impossible to figure out who you are chasing or what those kind of maps are really pointing too , unless you can track it out to the end.
logic would dictate that if shadows were being used at his happy man "alpha "for lack of a better word ,
then perhaps they are also incorporated in some way to the "Omega ".
please keep in mind i am using the whole alpha / omega thing more in line with their context from the Greek , than from a treasure hunting book.

 

[kanabite]

In an earlier post, I said Sioux by mistake. This is all Navaho symbology. It has nothing to do with treasure at all. It is not Spanish or Spanish Jesuit. The figure with the zig-zag is a "Yei", the zig zag, like the arrow with the dot is speaking about constellations.

The turtle is a representation of the sky in relation to various constellations. The only map it is, is none other than the sky.

The medicine wheel in conjunction with the symbols are the four quadrants of the houses as well, that give general direction.

And the Snake, and the other glyph are Yei, and Yei related. End of story.

@Kan. It's ok. No harm no foul.

well i guess we are going to have to agree to disagree, because we do not have the same opinion about that .

 

[kanabite]

In an earlier post, I said Sioux by mistake. This is all Navajo symbology. It has nothing to do with treasure at all. It is not Spanish or Spanish Jesuit. The figure with the zig-zag is a "Yei", the zig zag, like the arrow with the dot is speaking about constellations.

The turtle is a representation of the sky in relation to various constellations. The only map it is, is none other than the sky.

The medicine wheel in conjunction with the symbols are the four quadrants of the houses as well, that give general direction. It also represents the 4 milky way directions.

And the Snake, and the other glyph are Yei, and Yei related. End of story.

Oh, I forgot to mention, when the Native Ameridians were allowed to move back to those particular areas, they took up a large interest in astronomy. What you see there, they more than likely built monuments resembling their glyphs in the surrounding topo. They did this for various reasons: determining the seasons (hunting, gardening), the solstice & equinox.

Yes Kan, we can agree to disagree, but with the new evidence I have, it is beyond refutable. If I find some pictures that are adequate, I will post them.

@Kan. It's ok. No harm no foul. You either know or you don't.

i guess i just need to keep quoting this post of yours cause it keeps getting bigger, and bigger, and changing making this topic hard to stay on top off or in the same context.

hey im guilty of the edit thing to , I can't spell or type worth a darn
a word to the wise , nothing is "beyond refutable"
even the stuff i say.
please excuse me i have to baby sit my dog for a while now , he had surgery yesterday and he is kind of sad today

 

[kanabite]

@Kan, if English is not your first language, I can make attempts to write in your native language. Are you English literate? This may explain why you are having difficulty understanding what is being written.

And Kan, yes, it is still beyond refutable. I am not speaking in generalities or absolutes, just the information in this post. (Unless, let's say, a Native Ameridian or other tribal expert comes along to correct me -I could only hope.)

Um, yes, hope your dog gets well soon. Not sure why you would post that, but good luck.


Oh, lucky me. Got some more info http://www.archive.org/details/NasaConnect-Ao-IndigenousAstronomers <<< In case you don't believe me, maybe you will believe NASA (Respectfully thank you NASA).

this debate is somewhat confusing , i fail to see your point .
don't think anyone said anything about the anasazi not being very proficient in their observations of the sky .
if you have some special power other than the ability to do a google search please share it with us .
there might even be a little evidence lacking in a direct relaitionship between the navajo and the anaszi any way ,but that is for another topic . the more i read the more i think Steve may have been spot on about the "Rangler Persona".
and i could be wrong too ,but i doubt it .
i'm out .

 

[kanabite]

Apparently, either I have not written in a way you can understand, or you may be misunderstanding what is said. And, I am not going to lower myself by name calling, or relating myself to another person.

I think I understand why many people here may not like Rangler, and why you might be comparing me to him. See, apparently there is a trend where some one who has good information, and then makes gracious attempts to help, then when they say something you don't agree with, this is how you treat them?

Yes, I have worked in the field and have had family that works in areas such as these, so, I may in fact have a leg up on information.

No, it does not all come from "Google", but, since this is the information age, by the grace of the internet, here we are. And yes, the people who immigrated from the upper North-west before they became the Anasazi, amongst a host of other names, were good at some forms of astrology. But, they were not the progenitors.

I feel like one minute you want to hear and have what I say, then spit in my face and turn your back on me, after all I have done for you and others here. Never in my life have I known people to be so shallow and un-grateful. I have been nothing but nice to all of you.

I have brought my sharing of information to the table. So, in a court of law, it is upon you now to either refute my information or theory, or bring something here -evidence or proof of a find- to support what it is you are saying.

I am not anyone's enemy here, and am college and field educated, and am thankful for the graces of God Almighty.

If you have an issue, it is not with me, all I have done is share what I have. What have you done?

May God have mercy on your soul.

i am not spitting in your face ,in fact i do know some things about these topics .
i have failed to see the point you are tying to make in regards to Steve's pictures .
what i sense is an attempt to bait me into some type of argument here ,and i got better things to do .
k.
share whatever you like , i did not call you names , only pointed out that perhaps Steve was right in his observation about the way you come across .
unfortunalty what has happened here sometimes kills the discussion and that is sad.
don't worry about my my soul

 

[Springfield]

nice pics Steve !
kinda curious about the dot at the end of your Zig Zag , that happy is pointing too.
but you have already shared much . thanks

Yeah, that dot is a curiosity. I honestly don't know the true answer.

kanny, I don't honestly know the true answer, but below is a carving located approximately at the 'dot'. It's Cuco, the Bogeyman. Who is Cuco? Below is a line from an old document found within an old adobe wall that was torn down many years ago:

" ... Hacia el norte, más allá de las tres hermanas, se encontrará con una cadena de montañas, donde el hombre Cuco 'bogey' se come de la tierra. Allí podrá encontrar tanto oro que se derrama sobre la tierra!"

This petroglyph is unusual in that it is the only one there.

 

[PROSPECTORMIKEL]

STEVE,
THANK YOU FOR THE POST AND EXTRA PHOTOS (#38).
I CAN SEE MORE CLEARLY HOW I GOT OFF ON THE WRONG FOOT ABOUT THE JIGSAW PUZZLE
THEORY. WITH THE LARGER AREA IN THE PIC'S I CAN SEE THAT THE COLOR CHANGES, THAT I
NOTICED, ARE MOST LIKELY THE NATURAL EFFECTS OF THOUSANDS OF YEARS OF EXPOSURE
TO HEAT AND COLD, FREEZING AND THAWING, ETC...

IN THE CLOSE-UP PIC'S I DIDN'T SEE THE MORE DISTINCT LINE NEAR THE BOTTOM.

I APPRECIATE YOUR EXTRA EFFORT TO EXPLAIN.

YOU HAVE BEEN HELPFULL ON MY THREAD, AND I WAS JUST TOSSING OUT A THEORY.

I HOPE THAT THIS THREAD CAN BE RECOVERED. WHAT YOU STARTED OUT WITH WAS
GOOD AND BASIC INFO THAT SIMPLIFIED THE WAY SHADOWS WERE USED AND HOW TO
USE THEM.

I HOPE THEY LEAD YOU TO ONE OF THE SEVEN CITIES.

GOOD HUNTING MY FRIEND, (AND IF I MAY,) GOD BLESS

MIKEL

 

[kanabite]

nice pics Steve !
kinda curious about the dot at the end of your Zig Zag , that happy is pointing too.
but you have already shared much . thanks

Yeah, that dot is a curiosity. I honestly don't know the true answer.

kanny, I don't honestly know the true answer, but below is a carving located approximately at the 'dot'. It's Cuco, the Bogeyman. Who is Cuco? Below is a line from an old document found within an old adobe wall that was torn down many years ago:

" ... Hacia el norte, más allá de las tres hermanas, se encontrará con una cadena de montañas, donde el hombre Cuco 'bogey' se come de la tierra. Allí podrá encontrar tanto oro que se derrama sobre la tierra!"

This petroglyph is unusual in that it is the only one there.

dang thats neat !
not sure off the top of my head . going to have to enlist some help , with your permission of course ?
i can see a notch to the right of "boogie ",might have something to do with shadow play , or maybe natural,,,, too early to tell . .
maybe you can see him from that spot ?, just thinking out loud here , nothing solid .
my Spanish sucks so let me and the others study it ..
thanks Steve !
you saved me from having to take blood pressure meds today .

ps that one letter Kelpfisher Posted long ago , keeps ringing in my ear.

 

[Springfield]

.... my Spanish sucks so let me and the others study it ....
ps that one letter Kelpfisher Posted long ago , keeps ringing in my ear.

"...To the north, beyond the Three Sisters Mountains, you will encounter a mountain range where Cuco eats off the land. There you will find so much gold it spills over the land!"

I'm not familiar with the Kelpfisher posting.

 

[pops46]

I am new to reading signs, but I see ditch lines everyday. dig a hole put dirt back it settles. from what I can see there appears to be 2 mounds of spoil. And I may be cloud reading but it looks like a face also.

 

[kanabite]

.... my Spanish sucks so let me and the others study it ....
ps that one letter Kelpfisher Posted long ago , keeps ringing in my ear.

"...To the north, beyond the Three Sisters Mountains, you will encounter a mountain range where Cuco eats off the land. There you will find so much gold it spills over the land!"

I'm not familiar with the Kelpfisher posting.

thanks for the translation, like i said my Spanish sucks .
this may be out of context but is there a place near France that also might be called "Three Sisters Mountains"?
don't read to much into that i was fighting with the Google translator .LOL

the kelpfisher post had to do with purported Padre la rue letter , i think . the one with all the 7's . and the doors . and the sol "SUN"
Rog use to talk about it sometimes .
hey ringing in the ears is better than voices in the head i guess...