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[DD-777]

Dug this yesterday on property dating back to the early 1800's (possibly earlier). I originally thought it was an old hood badge for a farm tractor but cannot find a match. Too wide for a bicycle as well. It is two inches long by one and one-half inches wide and made of brass. Any help is greatly appreciated...

 

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[DirtyMike]

Maybe the end of a belt or a horse related strap.

 

[Kenosha Kid]

Not sure, but it's an alchemy or chemistry symbol for distilled vinegar or acetum :

http://www.symbols.com/encyclopedia/11/115.html

Maybe an apothecary jar (or something similar) id tag?

 

[ModernMiner]

Darn Andy, I thought someone would have nailed it by now.

 

[DD-777]

Darn Andy, I thought someone would have nailed it by now.

Me too. I have searched everything from military hat badges to farm equipment emblems - no luck. I've got a feeling it's much older than originally thought...

 

[DD-777]

Looks like the same design Rob - I just can't nail down any solid info. It's driving me nuts...

Here are a few pictures after a little better cleaning...

 

[DD-777]

Andy, does this thing have a curve to it like it wraps around a pipe or bar? Or is it flat?

It has a very slight curve - definitely not enough to wrap a bar/pipe. The upper right corner has a slight bend from being dropped or hit with something. The back has one small contact point where it looks like it could have held a pin shank at one time.

 

[Silver Searcher]

Dug this yesterday on property dating back to the early 1800's (possibly earlier). I originally thought it was an old hood badge for a farm tractor but cannot find a match. Too wide for a bicycle as well. It is two inches long by one and one-half inches wide and made of brass. Any help is greatly appreciated...

Perhaps to wide for a bicycle, but what about a motor bike

SS

 

[ModernMiner]

Andy,
It kinda looks like this England / St George Shield.

I think Rob is on to something. Where are those bloody Brits when you need them?
Must be having tea?

Andy,
Send it in to "Ask Mark Parker" in W & ET magazine if you can't get an answer.

Cheers Mate,
Sir Dug of Eatsalot

 

[DD-777]

Dug this yesterday on property dating back to the early 1800's (possibly earlier). I originally thought it was an old hood badge for a farm tractor but cannot find a match. Too wide for a bicycle as well. It is two inches long by one and one-half inches wide and made of brass. Any help is greatly appreciated...

Perhaps to wide for a bicycle, but what about a motor bike

SS

Thanks for jumping in SS! I must have looked at over 500 pics of motorcycle emblems and came up with nothing. Most every single one has the manufacturer's name or initials on the badge...

 

[Silver Searcher]

Dug this yesterday on property dating back to the early 1800's (possibly earlier). I originally thought it was an old hood badge for a farm tractor but cannot find a match. Too wide for a bicycle as well. It is two inches long by one and one-half inches wide and made of brass. Any help is greatly appreciated...

Perhaps to wide for a bicycle, but what about a motor bike

SS

Thanks for jumping in SS! I must have looked at over 500 pics of motorcycle emblems and came up with nothing. Most every single one has the manufacturer's name or initials on the badge...

Hmmmm...I will have another look, it it wasn't curved I would have said Horse fitting, but the single fixing point at the back is strange

 

[DD-777]

Andy,
It kinda looks like this England / St George Shield.

I think Rob is on to something. Where are those bloody Brits when you need them?
Must be having tea?

Andy,
Send it in to "Ask Mark Parker" in W & ET magazine if you can't get an answer.

Cheers Mate,
Sir Dug of Eatsalot

I'm going to give it some time here first buddy. SOMEONE has to have an idea...

 

[DD-777]

Dug this yesterday on property dating back to the early 1800's (possibly earlier). I originally thought it was an old hood badge for a farm tractor but cannot find a match. Too wide for a bicycle as well. It is two inches long by one and one-half inches wide and made of brass. Any help is greatly appreciated...

Perhaps to wide for a bicycle, but what about a motor bike

SS

Thanks for jumping in SS! I must have looked at over 500 pics of motorcycle emblems and came up with nothing. Most every single one has the manufacturer's name or initials on the badge...

Hmmmm...I will have another look, it it wasn't curved I would have said Horse fitting, but the single fixing point at the back is starnge

That's what's driving me nuts. The curvature is extremely slight but the single attach point is steering me towards a hat pin. There is plenty of history to the property as far as CW troop movement/camp nearby and there was an old stagecoach road that runs straight through the property...

 

[Silver Searcher]

Dug this yesterday on property dating back to the early 1800's (possibly earlier). I originally thought it was an old hood badge for a farm tractor but cannot find a match. Too wide for a bicycle as well. It is two inches long by one and one-half inches wide and made of brass. Any help is greatly appreciated...

Perhaps to wide for a bicycle, but what about a motor bike

SS

Thanks for jumping in SS! I must have looked at over 500 pics of motorcycle emblems and came up with nothing. Most every single one has the manufacturer's name or initials on the badge...

Hmmmm...I will have another look, it it wasn't curved I would have said Horse fitting, but the single fixing point at the back is starnge

That's what's driving me nuts. The curvature is extremely slight but the single attach point is steering me towards a hat pin. There is plenty of history to the property as far as CW troop movement/camp nearby and there was an old stagecoach road that runs straight through the property...

The cross is not a cross, I think just a random pattern, The cross bar is in the middle, were as on a cross it is offset towards the top.

SS

 

[ModernMiner]

Dug this yesterday on property dating back to the early 1800's (possibly earlier). I originally thought it was an old hood badge for a farm tractor but cannot find a match. Too wide for a bicycle as well. It is two inches long by one and one-half inches wide and made of brass. Any help is greatly appreciated...

Perhaps to wide for a bicycle, but what about a motor bike

SS

Thanks for jumping in SS! I must have looked at over 500 pics of motorcycle emblems and came up with nothing. Most every single one has the manufacturer's name or initials on the badge...

Hmmmm...I will have another look, it it wasn't curved I would have said Horse fitting, but the single fixing point at the back is starnge

That's what's driving me nuts. The curvature is extremely slight but the single attach point is steering me towards a hat pin. There is plenty of history to the property as far as CW troop movement/camp nearby and there was an old stagecoach road that runs straight through the property...

The cross is not a cross, I think just a random pattern, The cross bar is in the middle, were as on a cross it is offset towards the top.
SS

Great catch SS.

 

[VOL1266-X]

Andy, the more I look at it, it is about the right size for an ornate buggy or carriage rein end. Generally, they are smaller and plain as shown in Crouch's relic book as # 7 on page 140. It would be logical that the reins for buggies and carriages would be wider and thicker leather than for a single horse tack. (Help cavtrooper or Creskol). The back may have had a pin that pressed into the small hole and served as an attachment to the end of the leather reins. That's my story and I'm sticking to it-LOL, Quindy.

 

[DD-777]

Andy, the more I look at it, it is about the right size for an ornate buggy or carriage rein end. Generally, they are smaller and plain as shown in Crouch's relic book as # 7 on page 140. It would be logical that the reins for buggies and carriages would be wider and thicker leather than for a single horse tack. (Help cavtrooper or Creskol). The back may have had a pin that pressed into the small hole and served as an attachment to the end of the leather reins. That's my story and I'm sticking to it-LOL, Quindy.

I'm going to have to get a copy of that book...LOL

Strong possibility for that Q - this was dug about thirty feet from where the old stage road. Still cannot find any pics that come close to this one...

 

[Daedalus]

You have to remember that a few of the Stage Coach lines were very small and ran one on two coaches , they would have had a Smith make an emblem set for just them so there may not be much data on what it was or who !

Look and see if there where any Stage coach lines around the area that fit this size .

Just a guess to help one think of something to look for as I do not know what it is.