Short hunt produces interesting finds, maybe my best??? Update found another

[jdsarasin8194]

Went back to the tavern for an hour or so in the rain, pulled up more iron, but this time was different. Three things worth keeping, all found 6+ inches deep, each of which i have questions on:

1. metal, i think its lead, bar
the axporx. dimensions, from the farthest points are, 1.5" length, .75" width, .5" tall
it has a chalky tan-ish color (cammera made it look darker), some brown spots that looks like rust but I'm fairly certain its a stain from the ground
surprisingly heavy for its size
outline of a rectangle on the bottom
how old is it and what was it used for?

2. a small metal spool
has remains of heavy linnen fibers inside the grove
how old is it?

3. a W.R.A. No. 12 Rival shotgun shell
has a mass of fibers inside of it, what are they and did they have a purpose?

 

[coin1921]

Re: Short hunt produces interesting finds, maybe my best

2nd item is a tarp grommet
Shot shell brass is full of grass roots

 

[jdsarasin8194]

Re: Short hunt produces interesting finds, maybe my best

2nd item is a tarp grommet
Shot shell brass is full of grass roots

they arnt grass roots, they have dried sense i rinsed it off, its definatly not organic

 

[coin1921]

Re: Short hunt produces interesting finds, maybe my best

The older shells had a type of fiber base. That is likely what you are seeing.

 

[jdsarasin8194]

Re: Short hunt produces interesting finds, maybe my best

The older shells had a type of fiber base. That is likely what you are seeing.

ok, so its oldish. any idea on the age?

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Re: Short hunt produces interesting finds, maybe my best

Yes a fibre base. I have seen it before... a shell wad or packing. We have members that are reloaders that will explain it much better. Here is some info on the shell. http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php?topic=21598.0 http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php?topic=21598.0 http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php?topic=21598.0

 

[jdsarasin8194]

Re: Short hunt produces interesting finds, maybe my best

Yes a fibre base. I have seen it before... a shell wad or packing. We have members that are reloaders that will explain it much better. Here is some info on the shell. http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php?topic=21598.0

The older shells had a type of fiber base. That is likely what you are seeing.

thanks to you both, number 3 is down, 2 more to go

 

[CRUSADER]

Re: Short hunt produces interesting finds, maybe my best

carved lead thingy (anyones guess why), I have plenty of Roman pieces similar.

Tarpaulin ring

 

[jdsarasin8194]

Re: Short hunt produces interesting finds, maybe my best

carved lead thingy (anyones guess why), I have plenty of Roman pieces similar.

Tarpaulin ring

ok, one step to where i have been hoping this will go...

 

[BloodyBelle]

Re: Short hunt produces interesting finds, maybe my best

The lead bar: carved or cast? Intriguing. Um, maybe change sensitivity settings, bury it, and swish again? I don't know where this is mean to go either.

 

[jdsarasin8194]

Re: Short hunt produces interesting finds, maybe my best

The lead bar: carved or cast? Intriguing. Um, maybe change sensitivity settings, bury it, and swish again? I don't know where this is mean to go either.

any way to tell the difference, and what do you mean the sensitivity settings?

 

[jdsarasin8194]

Re: Short hunt produces interesting finds, maybe my best

The lead bar: carved or cast? Intriguing. Um, maybe change sensitivity settings, bury it, and swish again? I don't know where this is mean to go either.

and read the other posts in this link, this is the "hoping it will go"
http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,347052.0.html

 

[DirtyMike]

Re: Short hunt produces interesting finds, maybe my best

The lead bar might have been a piece of a bar used for making bullets

 

[ohiograndpa]

Re: Short hunt produces interesting finds, maybe my best

Interesting

 

[Mr Tuff]

Re: Short hunt produces interesting finds, maybe my best

early 1900s by the looks of the end stamp.. i have a large pile.... MR TUFF

 

[jdsarasin8194]

Re: Short hunt produces interesting finds, maybe my best

early 1900s by the looks of the end stamp.. i have a large pile.... MR TUFF

end stamp?

 

[jdsarasin8194]

Re: Short hunt produces interesting finds, maybe my best

early 1900s by the looks of the end stamp.. i have a large pile.... MR TUFF

end stamp?

wait are you talking about the shotgun shell?

 

[MountainFan]

Re: Short hunt produces interesting finds, maybe my best

Looks like your shotgun shell was produced from 1884-1897. Here's a website another member posted recently that should help with ID on shells. I've used it for a few of mine found recently too.

http://members.shaw.ca/cartridge-corner/shotgun.htm

 

[Monty]

Re: Short hunt produces interesting finds, maybe my best

I have been a shotgun shell reloader and still have 30 or 40 boxes I have reloaded in the past 20 years. At one time all shotshells had the fiber bases. But I think it was Winchester that came out with a one piece plastic case in the late 1950s or early 1960s and made the fiber bases obsolete. I think all cases have the one piece plastic hull now? I till have a few hundred of the old style out in my storage bin. They are perfectly safe to reload lite field loads into even with modern higher powered powders. Shotshells go off with much lower pressures than say a rifle cartridge.....8,000 PSI compared to about 55,000 psi! I have a collection of several boxes of shotshells my father-in-law left when he passed away. They date back to the early 1940s, but I am not up on the older shotshells or the black powder ones. Anyone interested in learning about shotshells and cartridges might want to pick up a reloading manual. One made by Lyman covers most of the bases and goes a little farther back than some of the others. Monty

 

[BloodyBelle]

Re: Short hunt produces interesting finds, maybe my best

Not sure but methinks he sees the prize in the lump.