Silver Butter Knife

[Still Waters]

Hello,

Dug this little beauty recently but have had no success in identifying it. Does anyone know the details of it's manufacture?

The mark reads:
STERLING 925/1000 PAT WATTLES & SONS

I cannot make out what is written between PAT and WATTLES. Hopefully somoene has a reference to this kind of mark.

Thank you,
Still Waters

 

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[Blind.In.Texas]

Very nice scrap metal you have there. Could you try the macro function on your camera? It will magnify a lot better than our eyes will. We might be able to make out more details that way.

Check out lot #133. The image won't zoom but, those are the general shapes.
http://stairgalleries.net/auction/03_22_03/Cat_131_140.htm

 

[turtlefoot13]

Check the third paragraph down and the business ad in this 1897 book.

http://tinyurl.com/yat6fn9

Hope this gets you going a little farther.
Doug

 

[tuatara]

Great knife I could not find any reference to W.W.Wattle & Sons as makers in the database. Sothby's mentions them as retailers of silver and s/p goods .

 

[ivan salis]

the 925 /1000 clearly means its sterling silver which is 925 out of 1000 parts "pure" silver. nice find

 

[randall61]

try w.w. wattle & sons

 

[tuatara]

Found another reference to WW Wattle & Sons as retailers in Jones & Horan Auction House Catalog.
It seems that they were based in Pittsburg, PA and were active around 1890's - 1940's (?).

 

[DCMatt]

Nice find!

I found the same info posted earlier. Looks like Wattle was a prominent family name in Pittsburgh in the first half of the 20th C. The stuff they made was pretty high end.

Here's a calendar from the company 1893.

DCMatt

 

[Gator-Flea]

Nice fine!!

 

[Still Waters]

Thank you all for what information you have been able to peice together. It seems odd to me that a high end silversmith that was in business for so long would have so little information avaliable. But again, I appreciate what sleuthing you have done on my behalf.
Still Waters

 

[turtlefoot13]

Here is a little info about the founder of the W.W. Wattles & Sons company. W. Warren Wattles was a 1st lieutenant 28th Regiment, Pennsylvania Infantry in the Civil War. His company is advertised as a jeweler/importer. There is also at least one example of a private label Elgin watch with his logo. The watch has a serial number that dates it to 1874. Searching for the W.W. Wattles & Sons company as a jeweler or importer instead of a silversmith might yield more/better results.

Doug

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

I cannot make out what is written between PAT and WATTLES. Hopefully somoene has a reference to this kind of mark.

Here are some forks that may have the same markings.... It appears to say patent but no patent number. http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/w-w-wattles-sons-sterling-silver-forks-set-of

Each is stamped with the "sterling 925/1000, patent W.W. Wattles & Sons" logo (see magnified images below) Beautiful designs from end to end Beautiful initials A lovely gold hue at the tips Circa 1920 or so

Is this the same marking?

 

[Still Waters]

That is the same mark. Just looked closer at the knife and PATENT and WW is laid overtop one another. That is why I could not make it out before, but with that as a reference I see it now.
Still Waters

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Ill try to do a patent search if I get time later but it will be hard to find because Wattles is not the patent holder or inventor.

That is the same mark. Just looked closer at the knife and PATENT and WW is laid overtop one another. That is why I could not make it out before, but with that as a reference I see it now.
Still Waters

Its as if, it was stamped "sterling 925/1000 patent" and later stamped "WW.Wattles & Sons", lending credence to the idea that Wattles is a jeweler/importer not a silversmith.

 

[tuatara]

Its as if, it was stamped "sterling 925/1000 patent" and later stamped "WW.Wattles & Sons", lending credence to the idea that Wattles is a jeweler/importer not a silversmith.

If they had been a silversmith co their makers mark would have been registered in the American silversmiths database. As I stated before they probably bought other companies silverware, watches etc , put their retailers stamp on the goods and resold them.

 

[Noodle]

Very beautiful piece, regardless of verifiable history; hang on to it. -Noodle

 

[umrgolf]

nice find NARTHONIEL... was this found on princess anne road? at the place where you decided to have a club hunt at the site where I OBTAINED PERMISSION? Dont think I won't put you on blast. BTW, I'll be heading out to that brick house where you found the halfdimes to hunt very soon. Feel free to stop by and chat.