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Sir Frances Drakes "Plate Of Brass"
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Drakes Actual Landing?
Interesting how Palm Trees were in alot of the early Drawings of Drakes Landing Site.
Had to be Panther Beach
Interesting how Palm Trees were in alot of the early Drawings of Drakes Landing Site.
Had to be Panther Beach
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Interesting how Palm Trees were in alot of the early Drawings of Drakes Landing Site.
Had to be Panther Beach
Panther Beach must of been the landing and Mooring spot. It ticks all the boxes. Most Likely Drakes Bay was in actuality Monterey Bay.
Panther Beach had it all, Relatively High clff walls, a Capatain would of liked that. (in case the Natives became agressive) a small mooring reef cove, a freshwater source in the form of a small river nearby.
From assessing the area the river might of given them even more protection in case the Natives decided to attack. Drake most likely would of had some time to pull anchor or establish a battle line. The Natives were most likely farther uphill towards Monterey bay. The most likely resting spot of The Plate Of Brass if it existed.
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Panther+Beach/@36.9929993,-122.1718024,294m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m6!3m5!1s0x808e431d602b7fe7:0x88028e4fd8cd3044!8m2!3d36.9930111!4d-122.1705565!16s/g/11jbf5yph6?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDUxNS4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw==
Old Movie clip is Capatain Blood Starring Errol Flynn & Olvia De Haviland, the last shot of the sword fight is Panther Beach, most of the sword fight is Laguna Beach, But for the scene facing the ocean and up the Coast, Michael Curtiz finished the scene at Pather Beach, otherwise Beach house would of been in the scene if it was all shot at Laguna Beach. (Fun Fact).š
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The brass plaque is a fake, created as a practical joke among local historians to embarrass the distinguished professor of California history, Herbert Bolton. The joke got out of hand though.
It was created by members of a fraternity of California history enthusiasts, known as the āECVā (Ancient and Honorable Order of E Clampus Vitus). Practical jokes at the expense of fellow āClampersā were a regular part of the group's activities. George Haviland Barron, a former curator of American history at the De Young Museum in San Francisco, designed it sometime in the 1930s and bought the brass at a nearby shipyard, where a worker cut it to shape with a guillotine shear. George Clark, an inventor, art critic, and appraiser, hammered the letters into the plate with a cold chisel.
Although lauded as genuine for many years, the wording and spelling have long been regarded as suspicious. In the 1970s the Research Laboratory for Archaeology, the History of Art at Oxford University, and the Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory subjected it to numerous tests including X-ray diffraction, stereo microscopy, and metallurgical analysis. The plate was deemed to be too smooth to have been made by anything other than modern rolling equipment and with edges consistent with modern cutting equipment. The brass itself contained too much zinc and with too few impurities to be Elizabethan, but was consistent with modern American brass. The remnants of the letters āECVā in paint could also be seen on the back under UV light.
It was created by members of a fraternity of California history enthusiasts, known as the āECVā (Ancient and Honorable Order of E Clampus Vitus). Practical jokes at the expense of fellow āClampersā were a regular part of the group's activities. George Haviland Barron, a former curator of American history at the De Young Museum in San Francisco, designed it sometime in the 1930s and bought the brass at a nearby shipyard, where a worker cut it to shape with a guillotine shear. George Clark, an inventor, art critic, and appraiser, hammered the letters into the plate with a cold chisel.
Although lauded as genuine for many years, the wording and spelling have long been regarded as suspicious. In the 1970s the Research Laboratory for Archaeology, the History of Art at Oxford University, and the Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory subjected it to numerous tests including X-ray diffraction, stereo microscopy, and metallurgical analysis. The plate was deemed to be too smooth to have been made by anything other than modern rolling equipment and with edges consistent with modern cutting equipment. The brass itself contained too much zinc and with too few impurities to be Elizabethan, but was consistent with modern American brass. The remnants of the letters āECVā in paint could also be seen on the back under UV light.
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I know the story
So the Real Plate of Brass has the possibility of being out there still. Although most likely small. If it existed in the first place then.
What would of this plate of brass been? pretty sure it would'nt of been a rectangular piece of brass the ship just had laying around.
A brass serving plate or Tray?
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Drake most likely would of had a camp on this portion of the Beach
And that! is a pretty old structure half burried in the sand
Interesting
Basically only one trail leading down to the beach to the North East, and not an easy trail at that.
Which interestingly enough leads to an old river bed that use to land in Laguna Creek? So basically if you were to take this trail to the north east you would eventually come to a freshwater stream? Coincidence?
Looks like something thatmight of held freshwater in the past
And that! is a pretty old structure half burried in the sand
Basically only one trail leading down to the beach to the North East, and not an easy trail at that.
Looks like something thatmight of held freshwater in the past
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The wall in front of the arch is most interesting
Defensive position?
Defensive position?
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Could the Plate stiill exist?
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The account of āDrakeās Plateā comes from a diary, said to have been written by the gentleman-at-arms, Francis Pretty. Although Pretty was known for documenting Drakeās expeditions, there is no evidence that he was in fact the author of the diary, or that he even participated in this particular expedition. Thereās also evidence of his presence elsewhere during the 3 year period of the expedition.
Whoever wrote the account (and, as far as I know, the only contemporary account), it doesnāt actually say the plate was brass. It reads:
āAt our departure hence our General set up a monument of our being there, as also of her Majesty's right and title to the same; namely a plate, nailed upon a faire great poste, whereupon was ingraven her Maiesties name, the day and yeere of our arrivall there, with the free giving up of the province and people into her Maiesties hands, together with her highnes picture and armes, in a peece of six pence of current English money, under the plate, where under was also written the name of our Generall.ā
Thereās no mention of the plate being ābrassā, which seems to be a modern embellishment to the story arising from the fake plate (of brass) coming to the attention of historians.
Amazing how the hoax keeps appearing on TNet.
Here's a TNet entry from over ten years ago:
"I was led to this thread while researching another hoax that was played on my
college (University of California at Berkeley) in the 1930's, the infamous
"Sir Francis Drake Plate of Brass", which was concocted by some men to play
a joke on a history professor.
The Drake plate is still on display in the lobby of Berkeley's Bancroft Library,
but labeled as a hoax.
The men who created the Drake plate were members of the historical society
E Clampus Vitus (ECV), and a ECV member may have been involved in planting
the Death Valley cache."
Source (Post #13 here): https://www.treasurenet.com/threads/jayhawkers-lost-treasure.238569/#post-4223237
Don in SoCal
Here's a TNet entry from over ten years ago:
"I was led to this thread while researching another hoax that was played on my
college (University of California at Berkeley) in the 1930's, the infamous
"Sir Francis Drake Plate of Brass", which was concocted by some men to play
a joke on a history professor.
The Drake plate is still on display in the lobby of Berkeley's Bancroft Library,
but labeled as a hoax.
The men who created the Drake plate were members of the historical society
E Clampus Vitus (ECV), and a ECV member may have been involved in planting
the Death Valley cache."
Source (Post #13 here): https://www.treasurenet.com/threads/jayhawkers-lost-treasure.238569/#post-4223237
Don in SoCal
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I have my doubts about any markings or any monument ever existing. Just having fun speculating. I still believe that Panther Beach was Drakes mooring point though and nearby Monterey Bay was most likely "Drakes Bay". The "official site" makes no sense as well as most of the other sites possibly mentioned by "Historians" and "scholars". Most lack a fresh water source. There would be no reason to drop anchor if there was not potable water nearby.
