Some odd finds today!

[shaun7]

I spent 6 hours working hard trying to get a hammered, but no luck


Oh well, i still got some nice bits!

Two horse bosses, one really nice lead one. the middle of it seems to be ceramic
Two strange musket ball things
A jetton and a very nice little button with two hearts and a crown on(I don't think it's silver)!

 

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[CRUSADER]

shaun7,
The two things made of lead, like two balls with a neck connecting them are from a Roman whip that was used to beat people. Most famous use was on Jesus.

They were attached to the end of a leather string and the string attached to a handle. There would be 10-12 of those strings with the lead piece on one handle. They have a name but I can't remember it. I am sure someone on here will know. I would guess they are quite rare and likely more valuable than the coins you found.

its a double shot

 

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[NGE]

Turtlefoot.......... Cat 'O' nine tails is what I was thinking also. Used alot in upstate N.Y. area on slave farm workers.........NGE

 

[allen]

good going on all of those cool finds !!!

 

[shaun7]

good going on all of those cool finds !!!

Thanks Allen, definitely one for the book

 

[Silver Searcher]

Now i'm confused That link showed the exact thing and said 17th c!

Was it just a popular design or should I just go to bed now

This one's very similar to yours shaun

Two hearts sumouted by crown...Circa mid 17thc-mid 18thc.

Frequently associated with the Restoration of Charles11(1660) or his mariage to Catherine of Braganza (1662). The association is not certain.

 

[shaun7]

Now i'm confused That link showed the exact thing and said 17th c!

Was it just a popular design or should I just go to bed now

This one's very similar to yours shaun

Two hearts sumouted by crown...Circa mid 17thc-mid 18thc.

Frequently associated with the Restoration of Charles11(1660) or his mariage to Catherine of Braganza (1662). The association is not certain.

Cheers SS Same as the one on the link Cru posted

 

[CRUSADER]

Now i'm confused That link showed the exact thing and said 17th c!

Was it just a popular design or should I just go to bed now

This one's very similar to yours shaun

Two hearts sumouted by crown...Circa mid 17thc-mid 18thc.

Frequently associated with the Restoration of Charles11(1660) or his mariage to Catherine of Braganza (1662). The association is not certain.

Cheers SS Same as the one on the link Cru posted

Same type different picture.

SS, thanks for reminding me of the story.
The issue I have with the association is that if you put this cufflink in amounst other 17th century buttons it looks out of place. Put it with known 18th C buttons & cufflinks & it looks similar including its construction.
In Brian Read's latest book he discusses these cufflink links:
'Thames Mudlarks have recovered numerous metal cuff-links from stratified layers of the Thames Foreshore in London'..........................'evidence suggests that cuff-links first became fashionable around the beginning of the last quarter of the 17th century' ie. 1675
'Cufflinks bearing this devise (crown above 2 hearts) are invariably associated with King Charles IIs Restoration in 1660 or his Marriage to Catherine of Braganza in 1662, assignations which the London evidence possibly refutes'.

So this grey area, opens a nice loop hole for those wishing to sell what I believe to be a relatively common 18th C cufflink for a better price as a Charles II type.
2 Other books say 18th C, I'm most happy with this, unconfortable with late 17th. However, I could be wrong

 

[shaun7]

Now i'm confused That link showed the exact thing and said 17th c!

Was it just a popular design or should I just go to bed now

This one's very similar to yours shaun

Two hearts sumouted by crown...Circa mid 17thc-mid 18thc.

Frequently associated with the Restoration of Charles11(1660) or his mariage to Catherine of Braganza (1662). The association is not certain.

Cheers SS Same as the one on the link Cru posted

Same type different picture.

SS, thanks for reminding me of the story.
The issue I have with the association is that if you put this cufflink in amounst other 17th century buttons it looks out of place. Put it with known 18th C buttons & cufflinks & it looks similar including its construction.
In Brian Read's latest book he discusses these cufflink links:
'Thames Mudlarks have recovered numerous metal cuff-links from stratified layers of the Thames Foreshore in London'..........................'evidence suggests that cuff-links first became fashionable around the beginning of the last quarter of the 17th century' ie. 1675
'Cufflinks bearing this devise (crown above 2 hearts) are invariably associated with King Charles IIs Restoration in 1660 or his Marriage to Catherine of Braganza in 1662, assignations which the London evidence possibly refutes'.

So this grey area, opens a nice loop hole for those wishing to sell what I believe to be a relatively common 18th C cufflink for a better price as a Charles II type.
2 Other books say 18th C, I'm most happy with this, unconfortable with late 17th. However, I could be wrong

I understand now Cru, i didn't know there was any refuting going on

Not sure how you could get stratified layers on the Thames foreshore though when you can find 400 year old items laying on
top

 

[CRUSADER]

Now i'm confused That link showed the exact thing and said 17th c!

Was it just a popular design or should I just go to bed now

This one's very similar to yours shaun

Two hearts sumouted by crown...Circa mid 17thc-mid 18thc.

Frequently associated with the Restoration of Charles11(1660) or his mariage to Catherine of Braganza (1662). The association is not certain.

Cheers SS Same as the one on the link Cru posted

Same type different picture.

SS, thanks for reminding me of the story.
The issue I have with the association is that if you put this cufflink in amounst other 17th century buttons it looks out of place. Put it with known 18th C buttons & cufflinks & it looks similar including its construction.
In Brian Read's latest book he discusses these cufflink links:
'Thames Mudlarks have recovered numerous metal cuff-links from stratified layers of the Thames Foreshore in London'..........................'evidence suggests that cuff-links first became fashionable around the beginning of the last quarter of the 17th century' ie. 1675
'Cufflinks bearing this devise (crown above 2 hearts) are invariably associated with King Charles IIs Restoration in 1660 or his Marriage to Catherine of Braganza in 1662, assignations which the London evidence possibly refutes'.

So this grey area, opens a nice loop hole for those wishing to sell what I believe to be a relatively common 18th C cufflink for a better price as a Charles II type.
2 Other books say 18th C, I'm most happy with this, unconfortable with late 17th. However, I could be wrong

I understand now Cru, i didn't know there was any refuting going on

Not sure how you could get stratified layers on the Thames foreshore though when you can find 400 year old items laying on
top

refuting is the books quote,

you would understand if you dug it every day Its does have archaeological layers which are sealed and dateable, much like under the plough soil. Just because you find a roman coin on the top doesn't mean there are not ones deeper cut into natural soil.

 

[shaun7]

Now i'm confused That link showed the exact thing and said 17th c!

Was it just a popular design or should I just go to bed now

This one's very similar to yours shaun

Two hearts sumouted by crown...Circa mid 17thc-mid 18thc.

Frequently associated with the Restoration of Charles11(1660) or his mariage to Catherine of Braganza (1662). The association is not certain.

Cheers SS Same as the one on the link Cru posted

Same type different picture.

SS, thanks for reminding me of the story.
The issue I have with the association is that if you put this cufflink in amounst other 17th century buttons it looks out of place. Put it with known 18th C buttons & cufflinks & it looks similar including its construction.
In Brian Read's latest book he discusses these cufflink links:
'Thames Mudlarks have recovered numerous metal cuff-links from stratified layers of the Thames Foreshore in London'..........................'evidence suggests that cuff-links first became fashionable around the beginning of the last quarter of the 17th century' ie. 1675
'Cufflinks bearing this devise (crown above 2 hearts) are invariably associated with King Charles IIs Restoration in 1660 or his Marriage to Catherine of Braganza in 1662, assignations which the London evidence possibly refutes'.

So this grey area, opens a nice loop hole for those wishing to sell what I believe to be a relatively common 18th C cufflink for a better price as a Charles II type.
2 Other books say 18th C, I'm most happy with this, unconfortable with late 17th. However, I could be wrong

I understand now Cru, i didn't know there was any refuting going on

Not sure how you could get stratified layers on the Thames foreshore though when you can find 400 year old items laying on
top

refuting is the books quote,

you would understand if you dug it every day Its does have archaeological layers which are sealed and dateable, much like under the plough soil. Just because you find a roman coin on the top doesn't mean there are not ones deeper cut into natural soil.

Actually I remember that bloke talking about "holding points" where stuff would gather, so this must be the areas that they
can find stratified layers!

I still don't have my permit and your nearly a year closer to being able to join the Mudlarks