SovGT and iron

[Gator01]

Hunting in iron infested sites, how does it handle falsing,do you sacrifice sensitivity?
Also I read, the Sov is not suited for farm fields,woods (leaves etc).
Thanks,
John

 

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[Sandman]

I don't know where you read that it is not suited for farm fields, leaves, and woods as this is not true. As for the falsing, are you sure you are ground balanced properly and don't have the sens set too high. Even with the sens at the low end you should still get about a foot in the ground with the standard coil. Are you in silent search? Try changing the frequency too. Let us know the results.

 

[jeff of pa]

Although I Don't know what they added to the GT

But I Hunt in Auto sens.

I was told by a Minelab Rep
at a Gold & Treasure Show Lecture.
the Sovereign has "True" Auto sens.
& You will Not loose Depth by using it.

You will hear clicking at times in auto, as the sovereign
adjusts it's sens, as ground conditions change.

I Don't know what sandman Means by
"Try changing the frequency" Is this
something on the GT ?

But agree whoever said
that it is not suited for farm fields, leaves, and woods
is not telling the truth. or never realy tried one.

However the Open Face coil is a Slight Problem
around Stubbs If that is what they mean.
but so are other detectors with the Open Coil.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

I am primarily a beach hunter, but I have hunted fields and woods with my Sov and it has no problem there at all, leaves are not a problem, just tall weeds, but that is the case with any detector. It nulls on iron, so any time it nulls out there is iron object here, if your relic hunting you might want to dig. Also getting depth out of a Sovereign has never been a problem for me, digging it up in hard ground is the problem, I prefer the beach, it is so much easier to dig....

I own 2 Sovereign GTs one is customed waterproofed, the other is for land and I am very happy with both.....I have 2 WOT coils to use for both of them. The Sovereign GT and the WOT is a wonderful combination, and I personally have had no problem with the large coil, pinpointing with it is easy for me.....

I also am not sure what Sandman means about the frquency either, unless he is talking about the noise canceling option (band1 / band2). I adjust the frequency at the beach till it is stable, just like my Excal. On land I usually use auto, unless I am getting a lot of interference from something...

I usually hunt in Disc mode, (auto tracking only works in all metal mode)......When in Disc mode, the Sovereign GT uses digital filtering to
compensate for ground effects and the Track / Fix / Pinpoint function is disabled

 

[Gator01]

Sandman,sorry, I dont own a Soverign; just trying to learn all I can about it. I need something to replace my XL Pro and I really dont take to anything Whites has, maybe an MXT, but I already have a M6.
I got the plowed field and leaves things from the comparison forum. The guy stated he was a relic hunter, and further stated the GT was not good for relic hunting because of the way the GT desciminates out iron and further it was not good to use in plowed fields or leaves, rather more useful on compacted soil and beach use. I just wonder if he ever tried the all metal mode??
I hunt a lot of plowed fields, but not for civil war relics.
Although I dont own a Sov, as far as sensitivity, there are times I have to turn down the settings on my other machines in nasty spots.
Treasure_Hunter, wish I was close to some beaches. By mid summer, Im thru detecting, usually before that. The heat and humidity is terrible and ground is like concrete.
Thanks,
John

 

[jeff of pa]

Sandman,sorry, I dont own a Soverign; just trying to learn all I can about it. I need something to replace my XL Pro and I really dont take to anything Whites has, maybe an MXT, but I already have a M6.
I got the plowed field and leaves things from the comparison forum. The guy stated he was a relic hunter, and further stated the GT was not good for relic hunting because of the way the GT desciminates out iron and further it was not good to use in plowed fields or leaves, rather more useful on compacted soil and beach use. I just wonder if he ever tried the all metal mode??
I hunt a lot of plowed fields, but not for civil war relics.
Although I dont own a Sov, as far as sensitivity, there are times I have to turn down the settings on my other machines in nasty spots.
Treasure_Hunter, wish I was close to some beaches. By mid summer, Im thru detecting, usually before that. The heat and humidity is terrible and ground is like concrete.
Thanks,
John

I Think the GT Has an Iron Mask Switch.
IF it does & You turn Iron
Mask off it may Pick up small Iron
in all metal.

Mine Does Block Small Iron in all metal
because of Iron Mask.

But if you have Iron Mask
You can also Dig every Null
in all Metal.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

From the Sovereign GT manual....

" 7.5.1. Iron Mask On/Off
A fundamental problem for most conventional detectors is the inability to recognize a valuable target when it is located near a ferrous item. This is a particular problem in areas heavily littered with trash, which is common on old relic sites. The Sovereign GT, using Iron Mask / On is particularly good at making the distinction between a non-ferrous target and iron trash, recognizing the non-ferrous target and providing an audio signal. With Iron Mask / On, the search depth is also a little greater and non-ferrous targets may be located more reliably amongst ferrous trash. However, with Iron Mask /On, the detector may give the occasional "beep" on large ferrous targets and the threshold may not be quite as stable. For this reason, beginners may prefer to detect with Iron Mask / Off. Also, when discriminating in mineralised soil, Iron Mask / Off may be the preferred mode. "

 

[Sandman]

Very good Treasure_Hunter on the explanation to clear things up. An yes I did mean the change or freq. from one band to another. I am not sure if it is just extra filters or what but it does help in some instances where interference gets to you. These changes in the way the threshold comes back after a null can confuse those new to Minelabs from using the simple VLF's with a steady threshold.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

Very good Treasure_Hunter on the explanation to clear things up. An yes I did mean the change or freq. from one band to another. I am not sure if it is just extra filters or what but it does help in some instances where interference gets to you. These changes in the way the threshold comes back after a null can confuse those new to Minelabs from using the simple VLF's with a steady threshold.

Hey SM,

I thought that was what you were referring to. You are correct as I alsowill switch bands at times when I run into interference, for me it is usually electrical something from one of the hotels clsoe to where i am hunting...It does help many times.....

 

[joecoin]

I Think the GT Has an Iron Mask Switch.
IF it does & You turn Iron
Mask off it may Pick up small Iron
in all metal.

Mine Does Block Small Iron in all metal
because of Iron Mask.

But if you have Iron Mask
You can also Dig every Null
in all Metal.
[/quote]

Jeff,

Which Sovereign do you have?
My GT does not null in all metal. Or do you mean that when you are hunting in disc mode, you switch to all metal when you hit a null?

Thanks.

 

[jeff of pa]

I Think the GT Has an Iron Mask Switch.
IF it does & You turn Iron
Mask off it may Pick up small Iron
in all metal.

Mine Does Block Small Iron in all metal
because of Iron Mask.

But if you have Iron Mask
You can also Dig every Null
in all Metal.

Jeff,

Which Sovereign do you have?
My GT does not null in all metal. Or do you mean that when you are hunting in disc mode, you switch to all metal when you hit a null?

Thanks.
[/quote]

I Have the XS-2 Pro
& Have a Sunray Probe Connected.

I hunt in Disc with a 0 (Min. disc. ) Setting

When I Get a target I switch to all Metal
and to Probe.

If the item is very small & Made of iron,
or tin & I Run My probe over it,
It will Signal one to Three times as I Move by it
and then (Null it) Tune it out (YES In all Metal)
making it extremely hard to find.
Most times when this happens I Just
take a hand full of Ground & Pocket it in my pouch,
to save time, as When I spend time
finding these they turn out to be trash anyway.
(tiny Pieces of Nail, Tin Can, very rusted Thumb tacks)

I Thought it was the Iron Mask But I Guess
it could be the Ground Balance.

 

[fwcrawford]

Jeff,
I just read your last post and although I don't have a sovereign yet, the manual states that if you are in all metal and have the ground balance switched to "track", then swing back and forth over a small target or deep target, the ground tracking will eliminate the signal thinking it is ground minerals.
Now this is on the GT.... I don't know if it applies to your detector.
This may be why the detector nulls out small targets when in all metal.
Just thought I'd pass this on to you.
Felix

 

[jeff of pa]

Jeff,
I just read your last post and although I don't have a sovereign yet, the manual states that if you are in all metal and have the ground balance switched to "track", then swing back and forth over a small target or deep target, the ground tracking will eliminate the signal thinking it is ground minerals.
Now this is on the GT.... I don't know if it applies to your detector.
This may be why the detector nulls out small targets when in all metal.
Just thought I'd pass this on to you.
Felix

Nope the XS-2 Pro

only has SENS, Threshhold , ON /OFF ,
Disk/all metal & Disc & Notch

 

[Sandman]

Hey Dingdong, welcome to the forum.