Spokeshave

[Keokukjeff]

Since theviking has Joel's website up..................
Look at the Spokeshave................
This is a Middle Archaic White River Spokeshave,scraping side on the left like the Spokeshave from Pennsylvania
Mine is a construction site find

 

[Keokukjeff]

Since White River points are not common thru out the Midwest.......
I thought I would show this one .............
It is a White River find...............named after the White River
The Spokeshave was made from one of these points

 

[theviking]

Great post! Love to see different artifacts, helps me learn.

 

[Keokukjeff]

Alaskan Artifact .....is a great site
Joel shows every type of flake Scraper and Tool known..........
cept I got One he dont have,,,,..............
But really I will use he pictures to show some of Scrapers some day,,,,,,,
I have the Side-Scraper..................Dalton here,also have a Dalton Mid-section Scraper
And I have the flake Scraper with bulb of percussion at the tip end!
Limace flake ,
I have some very nice Flake Scrapers...................

 

[creek astronaut]

nice point and great pic.how did you come up with a type on the spokeshave??

 

[Keokukjeff]

Graham Cave and White River are the early side-notch points here ,,,,,,,,,,it has what is left of a White River notch,and I find White River points worn down to what is left of the haft area, with little round ears left from resharpening.......................
I will show it with some of my small White River points someday....................
Its rare enough to have a Spokeshave from a point,like Bob Young says on Joels Site................
AND a person sure wont find many after the Early Archaic period.......................BUT Middle Archaic here.................
It also has same thickness as 99% White River.............
I knew what it was the day I picked it up.................and have had the artifact for some time now,and have always thought White River on it..................

 

[creek astronaut]

i dont see any notch or remnants of a base on your piece,kind of why i asked

 

[Keokukjeff]

Thats why I showed the blue point................the first picture,cut the point in half,
If the blue point had been resharpened down there would not have been much notch left on the right side.................or much base left,the ear has been resharpened almost off ...............just a little round ear left on the Spokeshave..........................
Some White River points were resharpened untill only a 1-1/8 was left of the point................the reason why was due to drought in Middle Archaic period......................and most likely exposure to the Calf Creek / Cossatot River culture and their use of everything being used completely up
It was a point...........................not a flake,no way a person can make a Flake out of that,
Maybe easier to see in hand......................but at the same time,my only point.............that is a Spokeshave.........................and not a point with a Spokeshave.................which might be how your looking at it...............
It is way past the point of being used to have as much of the point left as those on Joel's website

 

[Th3rty7]

Are you sure thats not a worn graver? I'm not really seeing enough evidence to call that piece a reworked point.

 

[Keokukjeff]

It is not a reworked point
It is a tool....................made from a point
It would be the same as showing Calf Creek tools made from broken or used up points...........
Even though you dont see the point no more.......the tool was still made from an ear,stem or mid-section ect...................
A reworked point is a point still intact........Not a tool

 

[Keokukjeff]

Here is a reworked White River point...........
One ear had damage...............so the point was used as a knife on that side,completely removing notch that was on that side

On this picture...........if the point was resharpened down,there would not be much notch left or ear
and then if it was used as a Spokeshave,it would have made the blade area curve in.........

 

[creek astronaut]

It is not a reworked point
It is a tool....................made from a point
It would be the same as showing Calf Creek tools made from broken or used up points...........
Even though you dont see the point no more.......the tool was still made from an ear,stem or mid-section ect...................
A reworked point is a point still intact........Not a tool

ummm ok if you say so Jeff,You called it a whiteriver point with a spokeshave,that would equate to a reworked point,if it was originally made as a point then made into a tool (spokeshave for example) then that would be what most of us around these parts call a reworked point.i questioned how you could possibly type the piece in question when there isnt really anything left of the piece to make an id,had me curious ,i guess you can call it whatever you like.as far as your example piece it looks like a damaged piece, i cant really see where the piece was reworked,understandably it is difficult to see these things in a pic.I like the insitu.

 

[pickaway]

It is not a reworked point
It is a tool....................made from a point
It would be the same as showing Calf Creek tools made from broken or used up points...........
Even though you dont see the point no more.......the tool was still made from an ear,stem or mid-section ect...................
A reworked point is a point still intact........Not a tool

ummm ok if you say so Jeff,You called it a whiteriver point with a spokeshave,that would equate to a reworked point,if it was originally made as a point then made into a tool (spokeshave for example) then that would be what most of us around these parts call a reworked point.i questioned how you could possibly type the piece in question when there isnt really anything left of the piece to make an id,had me curious ,i guess you can call it whatever you like.as far as your example piece it looks like a damaged piece, i cant really see where the piece was reworked,understandably it is difficult to see these things in a pic.I like the insitu.

I'd have to agree, I cant even see where your calling it a spokeshave?

 

[joshuaream]

Nice in situ shot on the second piece.

I'm having trouble imagining that piece with a notch on the other side. If the 'reworked' side was notched like the other side, it would mean a lot of the material was taken off to erase most of the notch. If you start at the bottom and follow the curve of the base with an imaginary line, the unnotched ear would have to drop pretty far down to come out far enough to allow a deep notch. If it came down that far, the symmetry would be messed up (one ear/notch would be significantly higher than the other.)

 

[Keokukjeff]

You guys can figure it out from here,,,Josh says it best....................it was a broken fragment of a point at best when used as Scraper/Spokeshave left side 1st picture
Its not that big a deal,I meant to post it under thevikings post.............
Its a fluke a one off find,at site where very few whole points came out.........................BUT I got that
When I start showing my Calf Creek tools with pictures of other Calf Creek artifacts from Sites
Many people still wont understand..............because they are fragment tools................
And I'am not a teacher,just showing what I found.........................not on here to do 20 post under one of my pictures.............
If you dont see .....it is still a artifact ........................I cant show any more pictures to explain it

 

[creek astronaut]

You guys can figure it out from here,,,Josh says it best....................it was a broken fragment of a point at best when used as Scraper/Spokeshave left side 1st picture
Its not that big a deal,I meant to post it under thevikings post.............
Its a fluke a one off find,at site where very few whole points came out.........................BUT I got that
When I start showing my Calf Creek tools with pictures of other Calf Creek artifacts from Sites
Many people still wont understand..............because they are fragment tools................
And I'am not a teacher,just showing what I found.........................not on here to do 20 post under one of my pictures.............
If you dont see .....it is still a artifact ........................I cant show any more pictures to explain it

lmao,you are correct it isnt a big deal.But, if you havent noticed we do like to talk artifacts and learn a thing or two in the process.i dont think anyone questioned whether it was an artifact,we just questioned you on what kind of artifact it is?not on here to do 20 post under one pic??are you saying you just want us to look at your pics and not comment on your finds??