lilorphanannie
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i have just ,in the last few weeks come to know this forum as a guest , and i must say theres a lot of interesting dialogue going on , enough so ,that its provoked me into signing on , believing that i perhaps could offer some positive direction to some points that seem to have been convienently evaded or misconstrued. i have chosen to present what little i know under the heading of the tayopa legend, because my area of experience is mexican mining history. it is my intent to respond to some of the comments ive read throughout this forum ,without specifics, with facts i know to be true. it is not my intention to offend anyone nor argue .after all ,the idea is to find treasure, not to waste years and money talking about it. first, treasure law in mexico --- mexican law states ,( i am paraphrasing ) in the event of a treasure, in all cases, the treasure belongs to the landowner, example, a grandfather buried 20 centenarios during the revolution and his great grandson finds them while replastering the kitchen wall , that treasure belongs to whoevers name is on the deed to the property. in the case of a larger treasure, one that the state deems of historical interest ,the treasure belongs to the state (this is 100% true with pre columbian finds ) . it is the general procedure, when a foreigner wants to pursue a treasure excavation ,he is to solicit permission from the office of the governor of that state, whereas an agreement is reached as how to divide the spoils. in most cases a detachment of troops will be sent with you ,and in fact ,do most of the work, with regards to mining concessions ,a mining claim is given in two phases ,first a 5 year exploration title and then a 50 exploitation title ,where the taxes go up signifigantly. the idea ,of course is to work the property ,not to speculate on it . in no way, does the claimholder own the property ,it still belongs to the landowner , normally there is an agreement written up between the two as to access ,reclamation ,royalties etc. as a claimholder ,a mining title gives you the right to extract ore, you are leasing the property and the right to mine it. as far as tayopa is conscerned,from the mexican point of view ,it is not lost ,and never has been, there have been several books dedicated to it ,and many magazine articles,some are first hand accounts ,with directions,(these all are in spanish)there are also accounts on all of the supposedly lost mexican mines mentioned here in this forum. the un-official "take" from the mexican side is that tayopa did exist ,originally , at the site where "real de tayopa" has claimed in the sierra obscura ,this is the site that coinsides with dobies map, then the community picked up and moved north to resettle at the site that is not too far from guaynopa and nacori chico ,and where the baptismal records are still on file in badcadeuachi. i have a mining report dated 1864 from a group of engineers sent to evaluate the second tayopa site ,with the geographical cordinates given, . adding to the confusion ,is the fact that the church missions were located at some distance from the mine site ,more so in the 2nd tayopa. both tayopa mission sites are readily identifiable in mexican topographic maps ,purchased at inegi offices in any state capital. the 2nd mine site is not found on any map. as for the treasure (this is heresay, from mexican sources ),a large part of the treasure was recovered in the early 1900's ,this was at the original site where some of the bulkier items were left behind, but the and church items were taken to the 2nd site to start the new community. the 2nd tayopa operated for about 80 years until the mines flooded , the silver was reported very complicated to extract from the ore. i have seen tayopa dore bars all dated in the 1700's crudely formed, lastly, id like to comment on mexico as a country, if you favor statistics you can go to a site such as nationmaster and compare crime to that of the states and it is apparent that mexico is in almost all catagories a much safer place.if you prepare yourself ,learn as much as you can ,language ,etc and treat people with sincerity and respect you will enjoy freedom and cooperation like it was in the states years ago. i am a part time treasure (finder) based in mexico for around 15 years, i have no interest in tayopa or popular treasure legends ,but prefer to conscentrate on low key projects where i can triangulate information from various sources ,i apoligize for the lengthly message but i dont own a computer ,and took this opportunity to speak ,all the best in your search.
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Sitting up there watching the birds fly by and lizards hopping around on the rocks with the wind blowing through my hair and warm sun on my face was truly relaxing. The class 5 climb to the top was grueling however, and I thought I was going to die several times 
