Here's the hard facts, you will miss good finds with a Target ID machine. While I use one, I know I've walked over some good targets that I would have dug with my Tesoro. They have a lifetime warranty and are extremely stable..ie, they don't chatter in high EMI and you can generally tell target size and guestimate depth after using them for a while. They are robust and shouldn't need warranty repairs. Quite frankly the lifetime warranty is like free health care...people get unnecessary check-ups. I feel sorry for Tesoro in that regard but they have a good thing going and good customer service. There is a rabid following which says a lot (in more ways than one). A lot of people consider them toys but the engineering and components they put in their units are second to none. ie, Minelab and Whites use cheap microphone connectors from the 60's for their coil connectors, Tesoro uses a high quality connector. I'm not knocking the other detector companies, I have the ones I mentioned in the post and they are great. However my Vaquero has paid for my higher priced machines in finds. Flat out, if you want to find the stuff othes pass over (because of TID), you can't go wrong with Tesoro!
i ave a tejon end is a veri good for coin research, i find more coin end relic. the display not is important if you ave a good hearing! (sorry for my bad english)
Yeah, this thread is a mess.
I will say that Tesoro has some fine detectors but most importantly, IT'S THE PERSON USING IT.
It gets pretty tiring reading all the hype, arguments, and put downs when I know without a doubt that it's who's behind that detector.
After years of hearing "You better get a top of the line detector if you want to hunt in England," I'm gonna save up and one day go down there with just a big azz screwdriver, a ratty pouch, and an old 1266X (or maybe a silver u-max) and show y'all how many goodies I'll find with a low end detector.
I've out hunted every type of detector not because my machine is the best but because I'M HARDCORE!
These brand wars make me laugh my arse off!
I don't care how fancy your VDI's are, my rule......THE MORE YOU DIG THE MORE YOU GET will always trump the latest and greatest.
If you think that your miracle machine will accurately tell what's going on in the ground every time then keep on dreaming.
I'm a machine. The detector is only an extension. I find more than most just from eye-balling or sifting!
No, too much emphasis on the detectors and not enough on the individual.
If you only have a few hundred dollars, then buy a Tesoro. They are good beep and dig machines with a lifetime warranty.
Most importantly, develop a good work ethic, enhance your skills and pay attention to the millions of variables that occur in the ground.
Take it from someone who has excelled in hunted out sites. Not because I was using new technology but because I was using a NEW MINDSET!
....... I will say that Tesoro makes a great detector that keeps up with any other .. With a price that does not hurt your wallet....... You can not go wrong with a Tesoro detector..........So, what does everybody think about Tesoro detectors?
I'm glad I'm not the OP, cause being on TN for awhile I know folks here are not the nut cases that they appear.
My advice for you is to look at VDI and target ID systems as a best guess and just a tool to help you id the find and use it as such, it is a great feature to have -- after all even the high-end Tersoro's include a display of such information now. I have to say if it is such a bad thing why do the best/most expensive Tersoro's include a display with such information too?
One really nice feature that is found in MD's that have VDI information and such is pinpointing. It is a great feature that made my recent MD upgrade worth it alone (not to mention the depth). I find a target then switch to pinpointing to better locate the target - it allows me to dig smaller plugs, find items easier, and speeds up recovery time of the item. This is also another feature that isn't available on most Tersoro detectors it appears either.
Ultimately you just need to go to a metal detector store and try some different models to see what features you want/need. Especially if they have a outside coin test area - as one of my local stores does. Better yet go detecting with someone that has a detector you can use/try for awhile and see for yourself that way as well.
Indeed VDI numbers or even target ID (what coin it is) is a best guess, or so called probability. I started out with a BH Tracker IV and upgraded to a BH Discovery 3300 for more coin depth. If you are looking for a low cost detector with VDI/target ID/pinpointing/etc, advertised depth of 10" on coins, or a Bounty Hunter brand detectorist - it is a great detector.
The Tracker IV is marketed as 6" depth, and I've had about 5" on a coin myself. If you are looking at the Tesoro detectors just be sure to get one that gets more depth otherwise you are fine with your Tracker IV - as several Tesoro models are in the 6" coin depth range as well. No need to upgrade MD's if you will get the same depth.
I will say my BH Discovery 3300's VDI and depth is usually right on with any coins in the 4" or less depth (nearly all clad coins you will find), and often better ID's the finds than my dad's Garrett Ace 250 (or often they will say the same thing - sometimes even if it is wrong). If the coin is deeper than 4" than the VDI and target ID can register wrong, or more likely jump around a bit (especially on ID'ing older coins); however, the coin depth is usually correct even then.
I set my detector to the default discrimination mode (3 types of iron disc out only) and turn the sensitivity up to a notch below the max and I have found coins at nearly 7" and other coin sized items even deeper. I imagine if there were deeper coins where I have been it would have found them. So even if the VDI or depth is off, I still dig the target as it is a good signal so it is not hurting my finds any.
GL and HH
That is true but than again also PI machines tell you that there is metal down there and even deeper than the vlf ones. So since the theory is dig every single beep than why not get a PI machine Oh they don't have a discrimination ... That is right, and discrimination is A wild guess of what is down there... Same as a VID machine.
Let's cut the BS any good VID machine can do whatever a Tesoro can do by just not watching the screen, PLUS it has a monitor in case you want to watch it.
Even Tesoro has VID on the top of line... So They aren't tesoros They are bad machines? Just because a machine has or hasn't a screen doesn't mean the detector is good or bad, and we all know that if we dig it all than we might find more good stuff, but if you detect for six hours and have to dig 200 holes or in the same six hours you just dig 100 trusting that your $2000 detector costed you that much not just because it can do beep beep as the $300 one but because it has some serious engineering behind it that can save you the trouble and fatigue of digging up every single signal, than we see that VID detectors might have a sense in existing.
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never wrong on a solid target! 3 out of 6 sounds like 50/50 ... So this sounds like you have never dug a pulltab? I dig lots of iffy targets and I am not surprised to see a pull tab... A surprise would be a gold ring! I am sure I often have the pulltab dug and in my bag while you are still swinging over your iffy target... 3 good swings out of 6 is always dug, how do u know if 2 out of six should not?I have been using target ID's since the early 80's. Compass XP Pro, Whites 6000 DI pro, Etrac, AT PRO, CTX 3030. They are all SPOT ON up to 5 inches, 98% accurate, the CTX, and AT Pro will show the correct ID up to 7 or 8 inches on 3 out of 6 sweeps that will make you dig it. They are never wrong on a solid target (not breaking up on trash, multiple targets) I have hundreds of hours over the past 35 years on these detectors.
You may as well not bother getting up off the ground if you dont use some discrimination and ID.
I don't know about other Tesoro machines, but the Cortez is a great machine. Simple, fast and accurate.
I've waited since late winter for the new "Cazador" to be released to no avail? Sooo, I bought a Minelab Etrac. Glad I did.
The Etrac gets much better depth airtesting, and in the field it's even better. At first the "flute" sounds on Etrac were overwhelming compared to the crisp Tesoro.
The Gifford's provide exceptional service, warranty and machines. But, until I finally hold a new detector from Tesoro, I'm swingin' my Etrac! Sorry Terry...