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[chupacabra]

MMAC - Welcome to the Public Lands as intended by our fore-fathers.

 

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[fowledup]

Need some clarification, is it this?
"Do you have a minimum of 10 years experience in mining placer and load and milling and/or refining experience:"
or do they mean this?
Do you have a minimum of 10 years experience in mining placer and/or load and/or milling and/or refining experience:
Gonna be hard pressed to fill all those positions if the first one is correct, excludes some very knowledgable folks who may have only worked one aspect of mining
Will they be posting the applicants to vote on? Might inspire others to apply.

 

[winners58]

You’re going to create a federal agency that creates mining districts?
Sounds a little too much like a socialist party to me.
Mining districts are recognized as local government entities and are already entitled to federal coordination,
it’s a good idea to establish mining districts and maybe form a coalition.
Not form a bureaucracy that puts everyone into an assigned mining district. No thank you.

 

[fowledup]

I too agree that we need to establish our mining districts and get their authority as such recognized. I also whole heartedly understand the necessity for all user groups to unite, and desperately want to see an avenue to follow to achieve this, but in all honesty you lost me when you said a new federal agency. IMHO I do not agree with creating another Federal Agency that reports to the DOI and BLM who then reports to the lawmakers in Congress. If this path is taken the new agency will for all intensive purposes have been cut off at the knees before they ever get started. Our representive agency or district overseers should respond to Congress on an equal footing with the BLM and DOI to ensure proper checks and balances. I also have a problem with another Law Enforcement agency aimed at policing mining. We need political and legal oversight, folks dedicated to enforcing our rights and the laws that protect us. We do not need another set of folks out in the field scrutinizing our operations with a fine tooth comb. We already have Sheriffs, Game Wardens, Rangers, Local Law Enforcement, Highway Patrol, Troopers, BLM reps, ATF, BIA, Homeland Security, FBI, and a host of others following and monitoring our activities. I would think that be sufficient personnel to find the bad guys amongst us. To be fair I believe endorsements or commitments from Buchal and some of the other players in our plight would go a long way to legitimize the councils efforts and bring people on board. You list a lot of the right folks as sponsers but it would be nice to hear their opinions as to why they support you. Bejay and Clay are listed in a roundabout fashion as is ICMJ, WMA, and PLP. All highly respected in the mining world you need to get them to speak on your behalf. Miners in general are all a bit gunshy, financially stretched thin, and inundated with this organization and that organization wanting power and funding.

 

[ratled]

From what I am getting these folks are the real deal

ratled

 

[Bill_saf]

from what I have read to me it sound's like a half hearted end run by the greenie's

 

[fowledup]

From what I am getting these folks are the real deal

ratled

I'd like to think so but need someone in the know and a whole lot smarter than me to explain and make sense of the whole federal agency, additional law enforcement thing.

 

[Jeff95531]

Sorry. It's a great idea and all but you lost my vote if the Feds get involved. I worked for the government. I won't play a part in it again nor will I endorse one.

 

[ratled]

I'd like to think so but need someone in the know and a whole lot smarter than me to explain and make sense of the whole federal agency, additional law enforcement thing.

I won't discuss legal strategy on open forums but there is more here than meets the eye

ratled

 

[Underburden]

What are they trying to hide with this physical address

XXXXX Irvine Blvd. Suite XXX
XXXX, CA XXXXX

They list a bunch of 'Partners' but I don't see word 1 mentioned about this group from any of their 'Partner's' websites. Looks like a one-way link to me.
Their mining district maps are a joke.
Who put them in charge of all these rules? Looks more like an end-run to get folks onboard, then force them into the BLM's proposed 'Lease' system.

Sniff, sniff...what's that smell?

 

[winners58]

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dont care who they are, I'm not for bureaucracy that puts everyone into an assigned mining district.
No thank you.

 

[M.E.G.]

The website exhibits a dangerous lack of knowledge and understanding of a number of subject matters.
It also promotes incongruity. For example,The Miners Declaration of Independence, if actually needed, conceding to "unify" "under One Voice" is not declaring independence nor respectful of granted exclusive possessory rights. The failures of the declaration, let alone many other harming defects in the offering, do not appear worthy of further consideration.

Some body is trying very hard to confuse matters or is themselves very confused.

 

[2cmorau]

ok, so i am bit confussed, PLP is listed on this site, maybe it not as great as some say, it appers a bit fishy

but, what is wrong with a mining district, there is the Jefferson Mining District, we miners need a voice in the policy makers world.
having talked with some miners in my neck of the woods it appears that at one time there was a mining district in my neighborhood, it's been tough getting a lead on this

thing is i thought WMA was going to have voice with the SWRCB or so i was told
anyway i do agree Ratled

 

[Hefty1]

2cmorau...you and your claims are in the Jefferson Mining District...and they have a big voice in the gov, already.

 

[russau]

This has been tried before and didn't go anywhere then! It would be great if it could happen and be effective! BUT the bigger groups that were to be part of the whole didn't want any other group to push "their rules" or be told what to do. they claimed that their members wanted what they wanted first , every other group was after them! diversified groups comeing together didn't work then! But I hope it will now!

 

[2cmorau]

puter glitch

 

[2cmorau]

Thanks Hefty
my understanding of the couple folks i have talked to in this remote country LOL, seems that there may have been a local/county, or subchapter of JMD, who knows
I do know that from the majority of prospectors, weekenders, we sure could use a local chapter

 

[fowledup]

2C- Indian Hill and Sierra City were the applicable districts for our areas in the early stages (1850's) of the gold rush. During that time period there were around 500 mining districts spread across the Motherlode. You offering up your place as the new Sierra County Mining District headquarters? I'm in!

On a more serious note- The 14th of March all the whose who of the mining community are coming together in Sac to start organizing a more united front. This would be a perfect opportunity for this new outfit to pitch their plan, and see if they have a place in this. If the respected and established folks that attend this meeting comeback to the mining community with a unanimous vote of support that would go a long way for what your trying to do. This meeting in Sac is supposed to be a meeting of all of those folks putting aside their own agendas and creating a network everyone is involved in.

 

[Clay Diggins]

2C- Indian Hill and Sierra City were the applicable districts for our areas in the early stages (1850's) of the gold rush. During that time period there were around 500 mining districts spread across the Motherlode.

This is an important point you have made fowledup.

Mining districts are historically and practically limited by the type and extent of mineral deposits. Miners form districts to govern themselves. Mining districts never were intended to represent all miners in a political area, instead they represent one type of mining in one type of environment. I can assure you that the Bauxite, Barite and Asbestos miners have no interest in being governed by gold miners. I can also assure you that a "district" as large as the Jefferson has never been, and never will be, supported by the majority of miners within it's boundaries.

In my view mining districts today have a primary role as establishing best practices mining within the district. The methods used for the disseminated gold deposits in the Carlin Trend have nothing in common with dredging in California, hardrock mining in Oregon or gem mining in Nevada.

A real mining district can make regulations about mining methods in their domain. A small district may have very different soil, rock and deposit conditions than another district in the next valley over. That is why mining districts are historically small and numerous. There is no such thing as "one size fits all" in mining.

IF a district is organized with the participation of the majority of miners and IF that district creates self regulation concerning proper mining methods that are unique to the mining conditions in that district and based on expert local knowledge THEN the mining district can present expert testimony that no government agency can counter. That is where the power of mining districts will be found today.

Bringing the expert knowledge of local mining methods to the table can bring you wins. The dredging ban could have easily been overcome by expert testimony from small local districts that have already established proper dredging procedures for their district. Sadly the only "mining districts" today are political organizations more interested in building membership than self governance of mining practice on a local level.

I believe mining districts can be a powerful tool for miners. I can not support any non-local effort to create mining districts. I see no use in another organization wishing to rule miners. The mineral grant is an individual grant that is earned one claim at a time. ALL the important mining cases have been won by individual miners - not organizations. Mining districts are intended to be self regulating and for the benefit of the individual miner - not the mining district.

Heavy Pans

 

[minerrick]

WMA sent them an email about a week ago, asking some questions. So far no response. No one from their organization approached WMA.