The Future of Mental Dowsing.

[hetty]

I notice that because dowsing conditions have ceased since June 2004, gradually all discussions for and against the validity of this phenomenon of the human brain has virtually become non existent. As Mental dowsing relies entirely on magnetic flux emanating from the sun during solar flares which must coincide with moon phases, thus bathing the human body with the power to dowse, no such conditions have been occurring in recent years. I believe in the 19 century, no dowsing or solar flare conditions existed for half a century.
In the early twentieth century solar flares were strong enough in the northern hemisphere (Canada) to melt morse code machines, indicating that a storm giving dowsing ability to those whom are aware of the necessary conditions and in the correct site on the earth nearest to the sun dowsing could then be enjoyed.
USA scientists, forever optimists, launched several satellites specificately to study more closely the data of solar emissions on the eve of this present 11 year cycle which commenced January 2007.

No flares of more than a few hours duration have since occurred, and existing dowsing clubs and forums are slowly dying out.

If you study NOAAs historical records of solar flares over the past century, they can occur any time during the cycles which average eleven years however more so towards the centres of the cycles.
THe present centre of this present cycle is 2012 in this period.

Solar flares could erupt tomorrow, next week or two years from now or 10 years from now, when dowsing will flourish again..
An ancient South American calendar ( Mayan) depicts the centre of this cycle (2012) as being the end of the world, but they couldnt predict the invasion by the Spanish 4-500 years earlier. Max

 

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[teleprospector]

Whatever the reason is that the dowser cannot dowse, wether it's the dowser and/or some natural phenomenon interfering,
a mental dowser can still practice mental excercises w/o the instrument to improve their concentration and wait until conditions are suitable to dowse.
Jon

 

[ClonedSIM]

Metal detectors are still working perfectly. Maybe it's time to give up the coathangers and needles?

 

[teleprospector]

Metal detectors are still working perfectly. Maybe it's time to give up the coathangers and needles?

Is this the electronic metal detector section?
Hmmmm, let's see, imperfect humans build machine= no perfect machine, but it serves a purpose.
A higher power created dowsing and allows imperfect humans to discover it= no perfect dowsers, but we serve a purpose.
Anyway, we did'nt want to give you the satisfaction you would get by us giving up dowsing, so we put some of our extra needles/coathangers in and wrapped around a doll that looks like you ( is that what you meant by giving up? ) and used the rest for more locating.

 

[aarthrj3811]

Metal detectors are still working perfectly. Maybe it's time to give up the coathangers and needles?

Yes they do…If you are seeking something made of metal under 1 foot deep. I can’t believe they still find pull tabs by the fists full….Art

 

[hetty]

To dowse at a depth of 10 feet or deeper is quite normal when conditions are positive whereon a metal detector is fine for a foot or a little more. Max

 

[ClonedSIM]

Metal detectors are still working perfectly. Maybe it's time to give up the coathangers and needles?

Is this the electronic metal detector section?
Hmmmm, let's see, imperfect humans build machine= no perfect machine, but it serves a purpose.
A higher power created dowsing and allows imperfect humans to discover it= no perfect dowsers, but we serve a purpose.
Anyway, we did'nt want to give you the satisfaction you would get by us giving up dowsing, so we put some of our extra needles/coathangers in and wrapped around a doll that looks like you ( is that what you meant by giving up? ) and used the rest for more locating.

Thank you for finally admitting that dowsing is a religion. You've answered a lot of questions.

 

[ClonedSIM]

Metal detectors are still working perfectly. Maybe it's time to give up the coathangers and needles?

Yes they do…If you are seeking something made of metal under 1 foot deep. I can’t believe they still find pull tabs by the fists full….Art

How did you answer me, Art? I thought you blocked me months ago. I did see, however, that the dowsing area has gotten a lot quieter over the past couple of months. Maybe you just wanted to talk to someone that was slightly less crazy than yourself?

 

[teleprospector]

Thank you for finally admitting that dowsing is a religion. You've answered a lot of questions.
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Admitting? I'm not on trial for anything, but I BELIEVE that it comes from a higher power in the universe and is spiritual to me, but not everyone feels this way or believes that. I am content with this belief. I believe there are many things that are responsible for having a successful dowsing session in the field or over a map.
Some feel they themselves are doing everything, others feel it's just the instruments, to each their own.
Believeing the way I do does not make me a more accurate dowser than a dowser who does not share the same believe, accuracy is a function of the dowser and their ability to concentrate.
A person has to believe 100% in what they are doing if they are going to help other people learn about it and convince others to follow it.
The laws of physics play an important role in dowsing, and a persons attitude towards dowsing in general can make or break it, this does not matter to a metal detector. It has no soul, spirit, free will or the ability to think and reason.
It's been said lot's of times before in this section that we really don't know what makes it work, but we know it does and each dowser strives to get to that level in their development where they have a fingerprint style of dowsing that works for them, something very personal to each of us. An experienced metal detectorist can hold onto the detector at the same time as the beginner while learning to swing it and find targets, but one difference between dowsing and metal detecting is like when using a baseball bat, golf club, ect., 2 dowsers cannot hold onto the same dowsing instrument at the same time and expect to make that hit or hole in one.
Jon

 

[aarthrj3811]

Hey Jon…..Your right . Dowsing is a lot like religion. Those that can, keep doing it. I receive another way to determine depth and size of caves. It will not work for me. That is what makes the skeptics mad. You and I understand how it works but some people just don’t trust their brain. They just wait around for something to beep and then they dig not knowing if what they are digging is worth anything….Art

 

[ClonedSIM]

And so we get back to the argument from months ago. If dowsing equals religion, and religion does not equal science, then dowsing does not equal science.

You can't have your cake and eat it too, fellas. If dowsing is a scientific process, then it can be proven and recreated scientifically. If it is a religion, then there is no proof that it works. All you can do is believe that you're doing something meaningful while waving your coathangers around.

 

[teleprospector]

There will be no more auguing with me, the arguing seems to stem from within yourself.
What did/does the arguing solve? (Rhetorical)
It does'nt keep Art, Dell or myself from quitting dowsing or saying, "Wow, af1733 sez that we should quit because we don't know why or have any scientific evidence that dowsing works." And it's not causing us to do research for what you want to know.
There are people that don't have to know how everthing works in order to use it, yet you come to us for answers asking for proof why dowsing works. I'm sorry that you are wrestling with finding the answers you seek, but I don't have them.
I am not a scientist or a minister. My beliefs about dowsing are clearly stated above and in posts found elsewhere in the dowsing forum.
I feel that I am doing something meaningful by dowsing. Faith in something is dead w/o works. Believing in something is one thing, practicing it is the works, so how does your "seeing is believing" put any works in by you for the proof you seek? (rhetorical)
Once a person finds what gives them inner peace and happiness, no one can take that away.
You can't tell someone how they are supposed to feel about something when it's their personal beliefs.
Dowsing is in my blood and I will continue until my time is up on this planet.
I feel then that the future of mental dowsing rests with each individual.

Jon

 

[ClonedSIM]

There will be no more auguing with me, the arguing seems to stem from within yourself.
What did/does the arguing solve? (Rhetorical)
It does'nt keep Art, Dell or myself from quitting dowsing or saying, "Wow, af1733 sez that we should quit because we don't know why or have any scientific evidence that dowsing works." And it's not causing us to do research for what you want to know.
There are people that don't have to know how everthing works in order to use it, yet you come to us for answers asking for proof why dowsing works. I'm sorry that you are wrestling with finding the answers you seek, but I don't have them.
I am not a scientist or a minister. My beliefs about dowsing are clearly stated above and in posts found elsewhere in the dowsing forum.
I feel that I am doing something meaningful by dowsing. Faith in something is dead w/o works. Believing in something is one thing, practicing it is the works, so how does your "seeing is believing" put any works in by you for the proof you seek? (rhetorical)
Once a person finds what gives them inner peace and happiness, no one can take that away.
You can't tell someone how they are supposed to feel about something when it's their personal beliefs.
Dowsing is in my blood and I will continue until my time is up on this planet.
I feel then that the future of mental dowsing rests with each individual.
This is my final post on this thread.
Jon

Wow, you really read way more into my posts that you needed to.

Basically, you don't know what it is your doing, you don't know how it works, you don't know why it should exist, and you don't care, does that about sum it up?

You're out praying to the gods of the coathangers hoping to find your fortune, to join the illustrious halls of great dowsers that have left their mark on history for their amazing dowsing discoveries.

Since you seem to have such a great grasp on past posts on this subject, please answer me one non-retorical question.

Why do some dowsers insist what they do is rooted in all things science, but you say it has nothing to do with science and is, in fact, a religion?

I mean, it would be great if this same philosophy could be applied to everyday life but, let's be honest, do we really want automobile designers arguing whether the car's steering wheel would be better inside the car, or glued to the bumper?

 

[teleprospector]

That's funny, YOU say that I read more than I need to into YOUR posts? Now that's really the pot calling the kettle black !
Where did I say I did not know what I was doing?
I know what works for me to complete a dowse. I stated that dowsing was created by a higher authority and my belief is that there are many things involved with having a successful dowse, such as the physics of electromagnetism. I want to make locations via dowsing, not study everything to death.
I don't need to know every intricate detail about a car to get in it and have a good time getting there, I know it works and it will get me there.
It does not bother me to know every little detail about dowsing or why it works, my choice. I don't pray to the instruments and I'm not the final authority on dowsing as to why it works, nor am I using it to get rich, if that happens, fine, not everyone does things to get rich, this is a very enjoyable side interest and relaxation to me, my sort of get away from it all thing, I enjoy it wether I have success or not.
I view it as a religion as such in that I practice it regularly to keep up my skills and strive to learn more about it, plus I believe that it came from a spiritual power in the universe, and find no reason to question why it should exist. My belief does not mean it's a fact.
I don't know why other dowsers feel all they do is rooted in science, I have no way of knowing what is going on in their minds, it's their choice what they want to believe. Why don't you start a thread about it and see what comes up?
There are cars here with steering wheels on the bumpers.

 

[ClonedSIM]

That's funny, YOU say that I read more than I need to into YOUR posts? Now that's really the pot calling the kettle black !
Where did I say I did not know what I was doing?
I know what works for me to complete a dowse. I stated that dowsing was created by a higher authority and my belief is that there are many things involved with having a successful dowse, such as the physics of electromagnetism. I want to make locations via dowsing, not study everything to death.
I don't need to know every intricate detail about a car to get in it and have a good time getting there, I know it works and it will get me there.
It does not bother me to know every little detail about dowsing or why it works, my choice. I don't pray to the instruments and I'm not the final authority on dowsing as to why it works, nor am I using it to get rich, if that happens, fine, not everyone does things to get rich, this is a very enjoyable side interest and relaxation to me, my sort of get away from it all thing, I enjoy it wether I have success or not.
I view it as a religion as such in that I practice it regularly to keep up my skills and strive to learn more about it, plus I believe that it came from a spiritual power in the universe, and find no reason to question why it should exist. My belief does not mean it's a fact.
I don't know why other dowsers feel all they do is rooted in science, I have no way of knowing what is going on in their minds, it's their choice what they want to believe. Why don't you start a thread about it and see what comes up?
There are cars here with steering wheels on the bumpers.

Now, this is a response I really appreciate. You feel that dowsing is not science related. Great! I think you're the first to say that, and not attach some pseudo-scientific nonesense to your answer. Thank you very much!

You've seen a car with the steering wheel on the bumper?