The gipper and gun control

[0121stockpicker]

Did even the great bastion of American conservatives - RR - support some level of gun control?


As the assault weapon ban vote neared, Reagan — who as president had signed 1986 legislation loosening restrictions on guns — wrote a letter with former Presidents Ford and Carter to the House of Representatives urging them to vote in favor of the ban.
“We are writing to urge your support for a ban on the domestic manufacture of military-style assault weapons. This is a matter of vital importance to the public safety,” the letter said.
“While we recognize that assault weapon legislation will not stop all assault weapon crime, statistics prove that we can dry up the supply of these guns, making them less accessible to criminals. We urge you to listen to the American public and to the law enforcement community and support a ban on the further manufacture of these weapons,” the letter said concluding.

 

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[pong12211]

You can put all the restrictions you want on them and the only people you will be truly hurting are the honest people who own these guns and don't hurt anybody with them.. Plain and simple crimminals are just that and they will always find ways to break the law and obtain things which they should not have including assualt rifles.. Look at drugs for instance how much money does the US. government spend each year on the war on drugs and they don't even put a dent in the problem.. I as a assualt weapon owner should not e punished for crimminal acts.. If they want to enforce anything they should enforce harsher punishment for the crimes commited with these weapons.. But me as a firearm owner should not have to pay with my freedoms because crimminals choose to use these weapons for hanius crimes.. I am not a crimminal and refuse to be treated like one.. If they honsetly think that taking these guns away is going to solve the problem then i'm sorry to say they are truly delusional..

 

[0121stockpicker]

Who is saying to take away your guns? I just thought this was an interesting fact - dont you?

 

[XLTer]

Who is saying to take away your guns? I just thought this was an interesting fact - dont you?

This fact as you claim , was already disproved . Law Enforcement officers were NEVER behind banning legal firearms from law abiding citizens . Below is one recent example . As for the citizens ? Current issues speak for themselves . Yes , past presidents have tried various bans . But , in time common sence prevailed .

Police union letter raps new gun laws - Times Union

 

[0121stockpicker]

This fact as you claim , was already disproved . Law Enforcement officers were NEVER behind banning legal firearms from law abiding citizens . Below is one recent example . As for the citizens ? Current issues speak for themselves . Yes , past presidents have tried various bans . But , in time common sence prevailed .

Police union letter raps new gun laws - Times Union

Not sure what post you are replying to but no one especially me is claiming that law enforcement officers are taking legal guns?? Not sure at all where that comment is coming from?? This is a thread about something Ronald Reagan said decades ago??

 

[XLTer]

[ We urge you to listen to the American public and to the law enforcement community and support a ban on the further manufacture of these weapons,” the letter said concluding. ]

I understand you were quoting past presidents . Common sence later prevailed and the bans were lifted . ( I was disproving the content of the quote ) . As you've learned , we ( gun owners ) are a sensitive bunch ) LOL . I do appreciate you making valid points though .

It just really irks me when anyone says ( Law Enforcement ) wants to ban guns . Even in QUOTES ! When in fact , any law enforcement officers would rather have law abiding citizens armed . It makes thier job much easier . ( less crime = less stressful day ) Trust me on that FACT . I am friends with quite a few Law officers .

 

[0121stockpicker]

Understood. Just pointing out facts dispelling the myth that regulating guns is somehow unconstitutional - as we can see it has already been done.

Also worth pointing out that a hugely patriotic bastion of conservatism - RR. And someone who was extremely pro gun even believed that some level of restriction was appropriate. Obviously he had very legitimate reason to be in favor if this control.

People should think twice before throwing folks with differing opinions under the bus. Believe it or not there is a lot of gray area and a lot of rational discussions to be had. Gun owners will be doing themselves no good to put their hands over their ears and keep shouting "I can't hear you, I can't hear you".

Remember the gipper!!!

Best

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

We are not saying we can't hear, we are saying keep the hands off our guns and our.rights......Its the liberal gun control advocates that can't hear.

We are not after their rights, they are after our rights..

 

[0121stockpicker]

We are not saying we can't hear, we are saying keep the hands off our guns and our.rights......Its the liberal gun control advocates that can't hear.

We are not after their rights, they are after our rights..

But since we've already established that some amount of gun regulation is fully constitutional (see the totally constitutional federal assault weapons ban) folks better start coming up with something a little more intelligent than what we've seen so far in my opinion.

 

[Crispin]

Your gonna get the boot for mocking!! You just wanted to use the longest word in the English language didnt you.

Plus on a serious note it was not repealed, just left to expire. And one can only repeal a constitutional law. If it was not const it would have been struck down as being unconstitutional. I bet you won't find another excuse to jam that word into a Convo!!!

alright, you caught me...I just wanted to use that word. Couldn't figure out how to do it logically.

 

[releventchair]

All around the cobblers bench.
Here we go round the mulberry bush.
Picky,picky.
Effort was made to not allow bill(no offence lachine) to expire. Public passion had cooled. Assassins choice of caliber a large part of outcome/recovery for victim. thank goodness, for Ronald. As in previous presidential assassination regulations followed.

 

[0121stockpicker]

All around the cobblers bench.
Here we go round the mulberry bush.
Picky,picky.
Effort was made to not allow bill(no offence lachine) to expire. Public passion had cooled. Assassins choice of caliber a large part of outcome/recovery for victim. thank goodness, for Ronald. As in previous presidential assassination regulations followed.

And do you think the Brady bill that followed was an unconstitutional bill? I'm not saying it was a good bill or had absolutely an impact on crime - but was it constitutional?

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Well, ALL I know is... ONE, BAD "apple" can SPOIL the WHOLE bunch; let's hear it for JIMMY LEE!

 

[releventchair]

Would like to know what i thought of its legality at the time. A hand gun was out of question for me at then,due to age and trying to make ends meet but i recall there was controversy. Were i to review the bill i could offer my opinion,courts may not want to hear it.
1980 in court, a disagreement with a prosecuting attorney over my support of second amendment lead to my being questioned by the judge. one question being was i a terrorist. In fairness, it seemed (i am not speaking for him) he was showing i was not out of line with my position.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Would like to know what i thought of its legality at the time. A hand gun was out of question for me at then,due to age and trying to make ends meet but i recall there was controversy. Were i to review the bill i could offer my opinion,courts may not want to hear it.
1980 in court, a disagreement with a prosecuting attorney over my support of second amendment lead to my being questioned by the judge. one question being was i a terrorist. In fairness, it seemed (i am not speaking for him) he was showing i was not out of line with my position.

WHAT happened, then...?

 

[releventchair]

Wow,post made it!(had to shutdown to unstick.)
Then i was thanked for my candor and was told i could step down.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Wow,post made it!(had to shutdown to unstick.)
Then i was thanked for my candor and was told i could step down.

LOL! TY!

 

[0121stockpicker]

Wow,post made it!(had to shutdown to unstick.)
Then i was thanked for my candor and was told i could step down.

Was it a ploy to get out of jury duty??

 

[releventchair]

Was it a ploy to get out of jury duty??

How does that equate to getting out of jury duty?
I have never avoided jury duty. The time for that is before picks. To get out of a pick ,just squirm or not nod your head.
Most cases were much more interesting that being at work and there is always something to learn about our judicial system.
But when case has no merit other than a wrong opinion no good conscious (me) belongs on it. Thats a good thing for some that is supposed to be for all. I could have said sure and i know where it would have gone. Were it your case you better hope for a ploy before someone is on it because they disagree with you,right?
How many cases have you been picked for and how many made it to trial? You think you need a ploy?why?

 

[0121stockpicker]

I thought you were saying that before you were picked - my bad. Was only a joke anyways.