THE HART PAPERS AS A SOURCE FOR THE BEALE CIPHERS

[johnnyrev]

The “Hart Papers” (or Hart memoir) is the account written by George L. Hart, Sr., of Roanoke, Virginia. He and his brother Clayton became involved with the Beale material in the late 1890s (starting around 1897–98) and worked on it for decades. George compiled the memoir around 1952, and it was later circulated (including a 1964 version associated with the Roanoke Public Library). It has been released in NSA FOIA documents (notably DOCID 656779) and republished in book/ebook form.

I'm curious to know what you all think about this topic.

 

[TruthbeTold]

Honestly?

The beale codes are nothing but fiction.

 

[johnnyrev]

For generations, the classic image of pirate treasure—chests of gold and silver, coins, and artifacts from pirate ships—was widely treated as romantic fiction, popularized by works like Robert Louis Stevenson’s Treasure Island, Edgar Allan Poe’s stories, and similar 19th-century tales.

Spanish treasure fleets (e.g., Mel Fisher’s Nuestra Señora de Atocha): Historical records described vast gold, silver, emeralds, and coins from 17th-century galleons lost in storms. Many viewed large-scale recovery as improbable after centuries. Fisher’s multi-year search culminated in the 1985 discovery of the “mother lode” (tens of tons of silver, gold, coins, and gems, valued in the hundreds of millions). This confirmed the scale of New World treasure shipments and inspired the salvage community.

 

[johnnyrev]

Honestly?

The beale codes are nothing but fiction.

If I hadn't deciphered them, I might have agreed with you to some extent—perhaps 50%.

 

[Lestrada]

The Hart Bros. were a couple of normal people who got interested in the Beale Papers Mystery.
Being close both in time and place to the heart of the mystery they had some good opportunities for research
and either did not make the most of them or failed to record them.

George Harts pamphlet aka "The Hart Papers" reads like a raconteurs story, its entertaining but not thorough.
The details, the accuracy, the boring parts that are the meat and drink of researchers are all missing.

The Hart Papers have been accused of claiming that James B. Ward wrote the Beale Papers.
But upon a close reading, the various relevant sentences are ambiguous.
I think it is very unclear as to how the Harts regarded the role played by J.B.Ward in the Beale Papers.

The Hart Papers ARE responsible for turning the J in Thomas.J.Beale into Jefferson
and there seems to be no reasonable evidence for doing so.

The Hart papers have several different number codes than in other versions, though this only applies to B2.
I believe the Harts numbers are their own corrections to B2, because Using B2 with the Beale Papers DoI gives errors.
I dont think there is any skullduggery going on. George has just given his corrected version.

Apart from the 2 nuggets of information:
1) Beale visited Planters Hotel in St. Louis in 1822 [dubious, discuss]
2) confirmation as to the Washington Hotel, and its proprietor, Mr.Morriss, during the period 1819 to 1862,

The Hart Papers are just a "Cool story, bro".

 

[TruthbeTold]

If I hadn't deciphered them, I might have agreed with you to some extent—perhaps 50%.

Please show us the fictional treasure...

 

[johnnyrev]

Please show us the fictional treasure...

I believe it is possible that the treasure was discovered at some point in the past, but it is indeed real. The ciphers are genuine and can be used to find evidence that the treasure was real and extracted from the earth!