Two uniface blades????

larson1951

Silver Member
Joined
Apr 8, 2009
Messages
4,962
Reaction score
3,893
Golden Thread
0
Location
North Dakota
Detector(s) used
tesoro
Primary Interest:
Other
I found these while going through some more old boxes of junk (now that I am buried in snow)

are these old uniface blades or limace's???

I am not familiar with what these are, but I have seen lots of them in my field

I never picked most of them up, I just left them lay
should I be picking them up and saving them??
can anyone date these????

thanks, Larson1951
 

Attachments

  • IMG_1283.webp
    IMG_1283.webp
    32.1 KB · Views: 691
  • IMG_1284.webp
    IMG_1284.webp
    30.8 KB · Views: 688
  • IMG_1285.webp
    IMG_1285.webp
    21.5 KB · Views: 687
  • IMG_1286.webp
    IMG_1286.webp
    24.7 KB · Views: 687
  • IMG_1287.webp
    IMG_1287.webp
    26.3 KB · Views: 671
  • IMG_1296.webp
    IMG_1296.webp
    24.6 KB · Views: 669
  • IMG_1288.webp
    IMG_1288.webp
    23.6 KB · Views: 663
  • IMG_1289.webp
    IMG_1289.webp
    16.1 KB · Views: 671
  • IMG_1290.webp
    IMG_1290.webp
    21.2 KB · Views: 659
  • IMG_1291.webp
    IMG_1291.webp
    27.1 KB · Views: 666
Upvote 0
Yeah lars, you should be saving those. They are some nice uni-face pieces. There are lots of misc. tools out there too, so I pick up evry bit ow worked flint if I was you.

How much snow did you end up with? We still have all day of it to go.

DSCN2062.jpg


Joel
 
thanks Quito, I have been moving big snow drifts since yesterday with my Bobcat, and
yes, we have about another 12 inches of snow coming by tonight or saturday morning and we have about 4 inches of the white powder now

It Sucks,
once again, thanks, Larson1951

I sure am appreciating the info about these pieces
I had no idea
I have learned a lot from this web site
 
LOL!! I have a plow for my Bobcat, I moved quite a bit myself. The snow just picked up here again. It will be a while before there is anymore point hunting.

DSCN2150.jpg

DSCN2040.jpg
 
I like it when you two guys talk. We get to see some good finds !!! I would pick the stuff up Larson to look at for sure. Looks like secondary work on the edges to me. Uni is your man for that kinda stuff.
Stay safe. Merry Christmas.
TnMtns
 
can anyone tell the age of those two pieces????
 
The safest way would be by the age of the other stuff you find in the area(s) they came from. :hello:
 
thanks uniface
this field has points of all ages
there are some pelican lake points as well as
duncan-hanna, avonlea, prarie and plains side notch, huffaker, mckean,
triangle, besant, single notch, oxbow, even some hell gap
this site must have been used for over 10,000 yrs

this is why I am asking your opinion on the age of those 2 pieces

BTW quito, that is one fine KRF point!!
 
The heck of it is, Lars, that small prismatic & trapezoidal blades like that aren't (as I understand it) diagnostic of any one particular time frame. What may help narrow it down is the pressure retouching on the edges, but I'm out of my area with stuff from the Dakotas.

If you're lucky, the material they're made of might correlate with one point style on your site that's made of the same material, or at least with stuff from one time frame (only).

Maybe somebody who's familiar with Dakota tool-point correlations can weigh in here (?) :dontknow:
 
thanks again uniface
I see what you mean
the material is TRSS (gray chert)
I have hell gap points (9000-14000BP) and side notch points (500-2000BP) and both were made from theTRSS
I think you are right about the flaking methods being a clue
I have left buckets full of these blades lay without even picking them up
are they worth anything??
thanks, lars
 
Probably. Especially if you can put together a group of nice ones. How much, and to whom, is another question -- it's changing, but people still pretty generally focus on points and figure the rest is junk.

Of course, I know this one crazy guy who collects nothing but stuff like that (when it's diagnostic of the early people and from a general area he's familiar enough with to identify as what it is) :laughing7: :laughing7: :laughing7:
 
ok thanks again uniface
just curious, do you find these pieces from the Dakotas very interesting?
and are these types of tools fairly common in your hunting grounds?
larson1951
 
do you find these pieces from the Dakotas very interesting?
and are these types of tools fairly common in your hunting grounds?
They're interesting, Lars. And they're certainly pretty to look at. But I lack a right connection with them.

People have different connections to artifacts. For some, it's the joy of finding them (back when we lived in an area with a number of sites, I was out hunting them every chance I got). For others, it's the joy of having them, whether they're found or bought. For yet others, maybe it's a sentimental thing because they came from grandpa's farm. Or they're a connection with the people who are gone now. It even changes over time.

On this end, the joy of artifacts is getting to know the Paleo and Pre-Paleo tools, going all the way back to maybe 60,000 years ago in Europe, and enough about the Early Archaic era's tools to recognise them (so I don't get what they made confused with what came before them). By confining myself to the area East of the Mississippi and West of the Appalachians, I've got half a chance at understanding these. But outside that area, people were doing too many different things at too many different times. They made some pretty pieces at times, but without knowing who made them, or when -- "kind of "knowing their story" -- they just aren't that interesting.

Are they common here in Pennsylvania ? Most places, Paleo tools are rare to non-existent. But further West (Ohio) they're a little more common (though still a lot scarcer than people imagine), and when you get down into Kentucky, Tennessee and Northern Alabama, for whatever reason, they're only just scarce. That's where, you could say, the stuff comes from that's closest to my heart. There's no end of interest in them -- what cherts they used, which ones they didn't use, what tools they made (and didn't), how far from their chert sources they travelled, using them to see where they lived (and didn't), little details in their workmanship that indicate their knapping procedures (I'm starting to notice that Paleo pressure flaking is different from Early Archaic pressure flaking), and just a million other aspects of them that add up to an overall picture. My favorite relics are ones most people would flip over and walk away from.

The real joy of having them is getting to know them -- learning the information they contain. Since you can't do that without having them to study, I get them. It's a thrill to score two or three nice ones in a handful of junk for dirt cheap that maybe two other people (sometimes nobody) goes after at all, the same as it was to find a nice one back when. But it feeds back into the studying and learning aspect of them. From Early Archaic through Mississippian, I knew my area's stuff. After a while, it wasn't a challenge any more. So I gave it all to a couple friends there who were interested when we moved. Which cleared the decks to focus on Paleo tools.

Make any sense ?
 
makes very good sense to me
very well written
what do some of you other members think???????????
thank you very much!!
let's hear your thoughts
thanks,larson1951
 
I find Mr, Uniface's reply to my post and was thinking I would give this a bump on his account as I find his comments to this thread very informative and interesting
I was hoping for some more input about his ideas on these early tools and he is right, we all love beautiful points and knives etc,
but I find them to make an awful lot of sense as I am now realizing that I might have overlooked many, many very old and important pieces
I say to you all, he must be a very informed person who is extremely interested and educated about (these) subject(s) on this most interesting forum
maybe we should have started another thread regarding this subject
well, let's try this one more time my friends, OK?
I hope I am not sounding like I have cabin fever, just trying to get a topic going with my idea's
thanks, lars
 
Mr. Lars :hello:

You remember back when high school coaches used to not want the guys on the team to have free time anywhere around girls during football season ? They wanted all that energy channeled into football. Not finding some "other outlet."

Same deal here, maybe. If I lived where you do, and could find beautiful stuff just about every time I went out, I might have ended up with a huge collection and not much knowledge about what was in it. But take the hunting opportunity away, and that energy's got to go somewhere. In this case, studying and reading about them. :laughing7:
 
Larson1951
The older Flake Tools would have a Graver-tip................
That is one rule in the different time period flake Tools,that later Cultures did not do that-they would use a Flake Tool for each............a Blade or a Graver,,,,,,,,,,,just as a general rule
UNTILL the late Calf Creek bison hunters arrived with their Paleo style!
The flat flake your showing has work along one edge
The other Flake less......................
Flake Tools of the Dalton Culture were rather simple............
The dark Flake and Keokuk chert Flake under it..................
The red-heat-treated Scraper is a Calf Creek-it is a beaked Scraper..............
I bring all tools home that have any retouch or worked areas,,,,,,,,,,,
000_6126.jpg
 
thanks uniface, i must say you are very knowledgeable and i enjoy your post and links

thanks j.s. very good info and I now see I could be picking up a coffee can full in an afternoon
I will post a bunch of them soon

lars
 

Users who are viewing this thread

Back
Top Bottom