U.m.c. Co. No.3

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I found this ("Union Metallic. Cartridge Co.") U.M.C.Co. No.3 casing in a city park in Connecticut while metal detecting.

I realize The company was operational in Bridgeport Connecticut , However this was fired and was just wondering what it was , some suggestions were a 8 gauge shotgun shell or a punt gun.

 

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[taz42o]

what is the diameter.?

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

I think from this gun.

 

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what is the diameter.?

It's 1-1/2"DIA. x 1-1/4 High thats a 12ga. Remington shell.

 

[aa battery]

maybe a flare gun shell i found this 10 ga. but yours is bigger

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

what is the diameter.?

It's 1-1/2"DIA. x 1-1/4 High thats a 12ga. Remington shell.
[/quote]Holy smoke, thats larger than the 4 ga. punt gun my buddy found in an old abandoned boat in the everglades from the marketing days. Was it found near wetlands? [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punt_gun[/url]

Gauge - Diameter Inch - Diamter mm
A - 2.0000" - 50.800mm
[color=red]1.5 - 1.4588" - 37.054mm [/color]
[color=red]2 - 1.3254" - 33.665mm
3 - 1.1579" 29.409mm [/color]
4 - 1.0520" 26.720mm
8 - 0.8350" 21.208mm
10 - 0.7751" 19.688mm
12 - 0.7294" 18.527mm
13 - 0.7102" 18.039mm
14 - 0.6929" 17.599mm
16 - 0.6627" 16.833mm
20 - 0.6152" 15.626mm
24 - 0.5789" 14.705mm
28 - 0.5499" 13.968mm
32 - 0.5260" 13.360mm
67.56636 - 0.4100" - 10.414mm

 

[TiredIron]

Industrial shotguns have long been used for specialized applications in servicing lime kilns, blast furnaces, and even for making seismic shots. Typically of 8 gauge, or larger, industrial shotguns are much larger than shotguns designed for use as weapons and are designed for firing using fixed mount stations, not being intended for firing from the shoulder. They are used for removing lime deposits from inside kilns and for removing slag deposits from inside blast furnaces, both being used during routine maintenance.
I could see a 4th of July Signal Cannon firing in the park to start the towns festivities. It looks to be a low pressure shell.....much like a salute/blank....
My WAG would be .......
1. Signal Cannon
2. Industrial Application


Whatever it was...it wasn't shoulder fired.
TiredIron

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Industrial shotguns have long been used for specialized applications in servicing lime kilns, blast furnaces, and even for making seismic shots. Typically of 8 gauge, industrial shotguns are much larger than shotguns designed for use as weapons and are designed for firing using fixed mount stations, not being intended for firing from the shoulder. They are used for removing lime deposits from inside kilns and for removing slag deposits from inside blast furnaces, both being used during routine maintenance.[

My WAG would be as others have suggested....
1. Punt Gun
2. Signal Cannon
3. Industrial Application

Whatever it was...it wasn't shoulder fired.
TiredIron

I forgot about industrial applications. I remember the movie Flight of the Phoenix where Jimmy Stewart started the airplane with what appeared to be shotgun shells.

 

[TiredIron]

Right you are BCH.....The Coffman Starter System. Whats also amazing is how many different aircraft used that system for either primary or backup starting, up to and including the B-52's. That Jimmie Stewart Movie was an excellent classic and its unbelievable that the aircraft was actually flown for the scene.

TiredIron

 

[taz42o]

That is way to big for an 8 gauge witch is .835 " Dia.
1 1/2 gauge punt gun is more likely, they measure 1.459" Dia.
The head stamp is pictured here but you have to buy the 40 $ cd to find out anything about it.

http://members.shaw.ca/cstein0/umc.htm

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Right you are BCH.....The Coffman Starter System. Whats also amazing is how many different aircraft used that system for either primary or backup starting, up to and including the B-52's. That Jimmie Stewart Movie was an excellent classic and its unbelievable that the aircraft was actually flown for the scene.

TiredIron

I love survival movies.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

That is way to big for an 8 gauge witch is .835 " Dia.
1 1/2 gauge punt gun is more likely, they measure 1.459" Dia.
The head stamp is pictured here but you have to buy the 40 $ cd to find out anything about it.

http://members.shaw.ca/cstein0/umc.htm

Good link Taz. It must be a 3 ga. because its marked that way.

ADDED: I see it measures 1-1/2 dia. (I misread 1 1/4) now Im not sure.

 

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Industrial shotguns have long been used for specialized applications in servicing lime kilns, blast furnaces, and even for making seismic shots. Typically of 8 gauge, or larger, industrial shotguns are much larger than shotguns designed for use as weapons and are designed for firing using fixed mount stations, not being intended for firing from the shoulder. They are used for removing lime deposits from inside kilns and for removing slag deposits from inside blast furnaces, both being used during routine maintenance.
I could see a 4th of July Signal Cannon firing in the park to start the towns festivities. It looks to be a low pressure shell.....much like a salute/blank....
My WAG would be .......
1. Signal Cannon
2. Industrial Application


Whatever it was...it wasn't shoulder fired.
TiredIron

In the late 1800's- early 1900's this park was a golf course then the state put the highway in now its just a city park

 

[taz42o]

Here is one made after umc co. merged with remington.

http://www.soldusa.com/detail.asp?id=13238&pic=1#img

 

[cannoncollector]

Heres what is was... Not a punt gun found in wetlands ...But a Salute cannon celebrating in the park of home state of makers of SALUTE , SIGNAL ,YACHT , and PARADE Cannon of the 1880s to early1900s

 

[cannoncollector]

photos

 

[cannoncollector]

close up..This 3 ga. is a Winchester brand. the salute gun bore is 1 1/4 inch...the cartridge case is 4.25 inches long and was filled all the way up with black powder, ,and did produce a substantial blast with fire and smoke!!! great fun!...The cannon was made by Strong Firearms of NEW HAVEN ,CONNECTICUT Circa 1889

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Great ID and pictures cannoncollector. I think this ones solved DigEmAll amd deserves the green check.

Do you have a picture of the entire cannon?

 

[cannoncollector]

THE GUN....It is mounted on its yachting carriage, and was marketed to yachtsmen