Using Headphones with Ace 250

[Benchthis]

Has anyone used headphones with the Ace 250? I am debating to get the headphones since I understand the Ace 250 runs quite until it finds soemthing. So the question is, does it make good sense to have headphones with the Ace 250 or just go without. Then again, I sort of like the idea of head phones since then it would not disturb people around while Mding.... anyone have an opinion?

 

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[tpmrcp]

make sure it has volume control because the Ace 250 will make you deaf! I dont have headphones yet for mine, and I put some tape over the speaker hole to mute it a little since it is so loud.

 

[Benchthis]

Thanks for the feedback..... so if you have volume control on the earphones, then the Ace is quite around people standing around and you are the only one that can hear the Ace detecting right? I just want to be aware of other people around and considerate of them if the 250 is sounding off loud!!!

Thanks for any input!!!

 

[txkickergirl]

I use headphones with mine
I was not aware it had a speaker and worked without them, got to check it out when I get home.

 

[Danimal]

The headphones are needed when pinpointing to hear subtle increases in the hum (it's called a threshold tone) that increases as the coil is brought closer to being directly over the target. Also, to conserve battery power you shoud wear them as driving the built-in speaker on the ACE sucks batteries quicker than when using headphones.

 

[DANGLANGLEY]

I was using my ace 250 near a city street and a wire broke in my headphones and I had to use it without them. It was hard to hear it when cars drove by. I agree about the headphones using less battery power. A volume control is a must.

 

[AOgden]

I got my headphones @ radio shack. $20.00 and they do have a volume control.

 

[bazinga]

You need the headphones so you don't piss off any people that are around you, haha. That is one annoying machine for the passer-by.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

The headphones are needed when pinpointing to hear subtle increases in the hum (it's called a threshold tone) that increases as the coil is brought closer to being directly over the target. Also, to conserve battery power you shoud wear them as driving the built-in speaker on the ACE sucks batteries quicker than when using headphones.

I am not an experienced Ace user, but I have one. I dont think I have any subtle tones on my Ace. Its either all or nothing on a target...a lot of chirping on junk targets. It has sensitivity settings but no threshold adjustment. I havent been using headphones for these reasons, but less people would bother me, if I used them. They want you to dig every beep and chirp.

Batteries seem to last long enough.

 

[dugupfinds]

http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,70348.0.html

We are repeating ourselves. See above. (but don't listern to me)

 

[Tykit]

Don't buy cheap 8 ohm phones, they sound like a pillow is between the phones and your ears, get at least 32 ohm.

 

[Danimal]

The headphones are needed when pinpointing to hear subtle increases in the hum (it's called a threshold tone) that increases as the coil is brought closer to being directly over the target. Also, to conserve battery power you shoud wear them as driving the built-in speaker on the ACE sucks batteries quicker than when using headphones.

I am not an experienced Ace user, but I have one. I dont think I have any subtle tones on my Ace. Its either all or nothing on a target...a lot of chirping on junk targets. It has sensitivity settings but no threshold adjustment. I havent been using headphones for these reasons, but less people would bother me, if I used them. They want you to dig every beep and chirp.

Batteries seem to last long enough.

Again, repeating what I said, you will only hear a threshold tone when the pinpoint button is depressed and held. When you do this your machine is operating in a non-motion mode (meaning it will respond to targets without having to sweep the coil back and forth over it). As you bring the center of the coil closer to the target, you will hear an increase in this tone and you will also see the signal strength meter increase in bars.
When a target is deep enough this "shift" or subtle increase in the tone will be barely noticable. Wearing cupped headphones that block outside noise help hear this.
When finding targets in pinpoint, once you locate a target and bring the coil's center over the target, you can then release the pinpoint button and let the ACE try to ID the target with both a target ID on the meter and a tone ID (one of three tones). While in pinpoint, you will only hear ONE tone, but it will increase in volume.
Hunting while in pinpoint isn't always doable because the ACE does not have a manual Ground Balance or manual Threshold Adjustment so getting it to hold a stable hum while in pinpoint isn't a sure thing. The soil's moisture and mineral content affect it's ability to hold a constant tone. Sometimes it will hold a decent tone for only a few sweeps and then you need to release and re-depress the pinpoint. Sometimes raising the coil 4" or more off the ground and then depressing pinpoint will get a nice stable tone that will hold when you lower the coil back down.
Hunting with the ACE in this way can find items MUCH deeper than the normal fashion. In fact, you will often locate a target in pinpoint that, when you release the pinpoint button, seems to disappear!...no bell tone...nothing. Go back to pinpoint and yep...it's still there. Digging is the only way of seeing what those are (and yes, many have been deep coins for me)

 

[potsy]

Headphones, on an Ace 250? Good Idea. Other day i was out detecting, (and I use headphones), i kept hearing this freaking beeping, i finally pulled my headphones off and yeah,, it was some dude with an ace 250 across the field. Very annoying----Headphones good idea

 

[Nashoba]

The headphones are needed when pinpointing to hear subtle increases in the hum (it's called a threshold tone) that increases as the coil is brought closer to being directly over the target. Also, to conserve battery power you shoud wear them as driving the built-in speaker on the ACE sucks batteries quicker than when using headphones.

I am not an experienced Ace user, but I have one. I dont think I have any subtle tones on my Ace. Its either all or nothing on a target...a lot of chirping on junk targets. It has sensitivity settings but no threshold adjustment. I havent been using headphones for these reasons, but less people would bother me, if I used them. They want you to dig every beep and chirp.

Batteries seem to last long enough.

I use headphones with mine everytime I use it. When I started using it I didn't use them but have found the battery life has increased by about , and this is a rough guess, 25%.

~Nash~

 

[DANGLANGLEY]

Thanks Danimal for the input. I have picked on several things you have mentioned and they are very accurate.

 

[lionhrt9]

Have the ace and love it, as a MD I use headphones, never even thought about not using them. Not only for the one around you, but man you get soooooooo much more into it anyways. ESP if you get good ones. I run with MD'ers that have threshold so all of em got em, but even if you have a silent search machine you have to have em for TH on pinpointing. Anyways my 2 cents (wish i could find one) advise. Which ever way you chose to roll, its all about comfort man.

HAVE A GOOD TIME OUT THERE IS THE OBJECT AND GOD WILLING AND RESEARCH A GOOD FIND.

HH

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

The headphones are needed when pinpointing to hear subtle increases in the hum (it's called a threshold tone) that increases as the coil is brought closer to being directly over the target. Also, to conserve battery power you shoud wear them as driving the built-in speaker on the ACE sucks batteries quicker than when using headphones.

I am not an experienced Ace user, but I have one. I dont think I have any subtle tones on my Ace. Its either all or nothing on a target...a lot of chirping on junk targets. It has sensitivity settings but no threshold adjustment. I havent been using headphones for these reasons, but less people would bother me, if I used them. They want you to dig every beep and chirp.

Batteries seem to last long enough.

Again, repeating what I said, you will only hear a threshold tone when the pinpoint button is depressed and held. When you do this your machine is operating in a non-motion mode (meaning it will respond to targets without having to sweep the coil back and forth over it). As you bring the center of the coil closer to the target, you will hear an increase in this tone and you will also see the signal strength meter increase in bars.
When a target is deep enough this "shift" or subtle increase in the tone will be barely noticable. Wearing cupped headphones that block outside noise help hear this.
When finding targets in pinpoint, once you locate a target and bring the coil's center over the target, you can then release the pinpoint button and let the ACE try to ID the target with both a target ID on the meter and a tone ID (one of three tones). While in pinpoint, you will only hear ONE tone, but it will increase in volume.
Hunting while in pinpoint isn't always doable because the ACE does not have a manual Ground Balance or manual Threshold Adjustment so getting it to hold a stable hum while in pinpoint isn't a sure thing. The soil's moisture and mineral content affect it's ability to hold a constant tone. Sometimes it will hold a decent tone for only a few sweeps and then you need to release and re-depress the pinpoint. Sometimes raising the coil 4" or more off the ground and then depressing pinpoint will get a nice stable tone that will hold when you lower the coil back down.
Hunting with the ACE in this way can find items MUCH deeper than the normal fashion. In fact, you will often locate a target in pinpoint that, when you release the pinpoint button, seems to disappear!...no bell tone...nothing. Go back to pinpoint and yep...it's still there. Digging is the only way of seeing what those are (and yes, many have been deep coins for me)

Thanks for explaining that Danimal. I dont use the pinpoint mode that much. Occasionaly I have a good belltone, but cannot pinpoint it with the pinpoint mode. It doesnt make sense. I will try your tips and try the headphones. I get nervous when a group of punks walks up on me unsuspecting. I have a half headphone on my old whites and that I like to use. Thanks.

My batteries seem to last long enough on the Ace, as compared to my other units.(HH PI)

 

[Danimal]

Thanks for explaining that Danimal. I dont use the pinpoint mode that much. Occasionaly I have a good belltone, but cannot pinpoint it with the pinpoint mode. It doesnt make sense. I will try your tips and try the headphones. I get nervous when a group of punks walks up on me unsuspecting. I have a half headphone on my old whites and that I like to use. Thanks.

My batteries seem to last long enough on the Ace, as compared to my other units.(HH PI)

What is probably happening is your sens. is too high and soil conditions are triggering a belltone response (that PROBABLY isn't repeatable). If your using your ACE hunting in a normal fashion and it offers a belltone and when you go to pinpoint you find NOTHING, try turning the sensitivity down a notch or two. My bet is there IS no real target if your pinpoint mode doesn't reveal the location of a target.

I hear ya about battery consumption..the ACE is great on battery life.
As to the punks thing, I usually detect with my Lesche in my left hand pointing outward. Maybe that has something to do with not being hassled (except by little kids who seems to not see the large pointed steel blade as a threat and feel comfortable walking right up and asking what you are doing and can they help and what am I finding and why am I wearing headphones and where are you from and can I see the coins you have found and have you seen my dog and I know someone else who has one of those beepy machines...etc etc etc )

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

I rarely have trouble, and generally people are good. But I know it can happen to those who hunt the badder neighborhoods. You have to keep aware of your surroundings at all times in a Miami ghetto (Liberty City or Overtown)where someone is shot almost it seems on a daily basis. It doesnt even make the news much anymore unless a tourist is involved. Headphones over each ear could be extremely risky.

 

[ivan salis]

Re: Using Headphones with Ace 250--also doesn't tip off others

to a hotspot plus it makes batteries last longer. cuts out side noises --kids playing ,load music ect. too that way you can focus on the sounds better.