Uvalde, Tejas

[Zakon Krzyżacki]

I joined this forum to metal detect and find things. I understand the management wants to stop the fighting

Fair enough. I can respect that.

 

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[RGINN]

If you specify no meaningless thoughts and prayers there,s not much left to say for most individuals.No diss meant to RGINN, that,s just what it is. Any thing else inevitably falls into the political realm by default.

I don't take it as a diss I meant the flippant use of that phrase. I guess a little harder to explain than I thought it would be. When that guy showed up at the school is when we could have done something meaningful. Prayer is about all we can offer now. One thing that really bothered me about this, is when they were flashing pics of the victims on the TV, that one girl looked exactly like one of our granddaughters. My heart jumped, but then I remembered Gabby's not in Texas. Brought it a little closer to home, and I wouldn't have any idea what to say to those families, cause nothin will change what happened.

 

[traveller777]

I don't take it as a diss I meant the flippant use of that phrase. I guess a little harder to explain than I thought it would be. When that guy showed up at the school is when we could have done something meaningful. Prayer is about all we can offer now. One thing that really bothered me about this, is when they were flashing pics of the victims on the TV, that one girl looked exactly like one of our granddaughters. My heart jumped, but then I remembered Gabby's not in Texas. Brought it a little closer to home, and I wouldn't have any idea what to say to those families, cause nothin will change what happened.

You are a good man, RGINN. Thanks for your post.

 

[crashbandicoot]

I don't take it as a diss I meant the flippant use of that phrase. I guess a little harder to explain than I thought it would be. When that guy showed up at the school is when we could have done something meaningful. Prayer is about all we can offer now. One thing that really bothered me about this, is when they were flashing pics of the victims on the TV, that one girl looked exactly like one of our granddaughters. My heart jumped, but then I remembered Gabby's not in Texas. Brought it a little closer to home, and I wouldn't have any idea what to say to those families, cause nothin will change what happened.

Gotcha RGINN! Not so hard to explain after all. Thanks.In all honesty you got caught up in an ongoing pi-- fight,sorry to do that to you! Crash!

 

[RGINN]

Gotcha RGINN! Not so hard to explain after all. Thanks.In all honesty you got caught up in an ongoing pi-- fight,sorry to do that to you! Crash!

You're fine Crash! On one side of that tragedy, there's some conversation goin on between me and my former LEO associates about our opinions on the police response to this, and of course we have them. I won't go into them in this post.

 

[releventchair]

No need to ask me twice to look out for an infant or child during a temporary need when a parent or guardian needs to briefly tend a distraction. And no need to worry about it.
No lines drawn due to parents or guardians race or religion or politics ect..

But , we can't let a sociopath interact with them. Yet we do.
Not having the mind of someone pursuing horrid things without conscious in a way we can understand makes it confusing. And can lead to fooling ourselves as to potential remedy.

So sadly as ever; don't even trust me based on my claim as you trust no one else with a child's well being. We'll never reach 100% security.
Exhaust effort through vigilance every second and hardening resistance.

Last thing I'd have in even an imagined utopian society here is firepower on hand in advance to intervene in a schools trespass. But it's past time for such.
Laws don't stop certain minds.

 

[FreeBirdTim]

More rights for gun ownership- less rights for mentally deranged people that give every sign they’re dangerous.

Simplistic and political view on this subject.

 

[crashbandicoot]

Simplistic and political view on this subject.

Maybe,maybe not.

 

[FreeBirdTim]

Maybe,maybe not.

You can't buy alcohol in Texas until you're 21 because you're not mature enough to drink responsibly, but you can buy a gun when you turn 18? Something's screwed up there.

 

[crashbandicoot]

You can't buy alcohol in Texas until you're 21 because you're not mature enough to drink responsibly, but you can buy a gun when you turn 18? Something's screwed up there.

Well,you can join the Army and be trained to kill people you,ve never even met and in extreme cases be drafted against your will for the same thing when you,re 18. Seems to me there,s something screwed up about that too.If you,re not mature enough to drink alcohol,you,re not mature enough to survive combat without serious mental problems. That said I,d go for the 21 years to buy a gun if the age to join the Military is raised to 21. However,it,d probably be harder to get a bunch of 21 year olds to charge a hill than a bunch of 18 year olds.More mature,less amenable to bullshit. I,m a Marine Corps veteran,been there,joined at 19.

 

[Kray Gelder]

Well,you can join the Army and be trained to kill people you,ve never even met and in extreme cases be drafted against your will for the same thing when you,re 18. Seems to me there,s something screwed up about that too.If you,re not mature enough to drink alcohol,you,re not mature enough to survive combat without serious mental problems. That said I,d go for the 21 years to buy a gun if the age to join the Military is raised to 21. However,it,d probably be harder to get a bunch of 21 year olds to charge a hill than a bunch of 18 year olds.More mature,less amenable to bullshit. I,m a Marine Corps veteran,been there,joined at 19.

Thank you for your service.

 

[crashbandicoot]

Thank you for your service.

Thank you too! Go Navy!

 

[Zincoln Miner]

The shooting was tragic, the police response maybe more tragic. I think the local police should be given yellow uniforms. Too scared to go after shooter for an hour. No heroes there.

Is yellow the new blue?

 

[crashbandicoot]

Is yellow the new blue?

I,m not going to defend the police who didn,t go in immediately. One thing,all but a very select few react under stress as they were trained,I,d say the training needs to change as to it,s emphasis on tactics.Immediate neutralization of the threat should be the emphasis and to heck with the Monday morning quarterbacking.

 

[FreeBirdTim]

I'm not a fan of the police, but it's hard to run into the line of fire when the perp has a weapon that probably makes your gun look like a peashooter.

 

[crashbandicoot]

I'm not a fan of the police, but it's hard to run into the line of fire when the perp has a weapon that probably makes your gun look like a peashooter.

An AR-15 is not a 155mm howitzer.Every squad car these days has an AR-15 or actual select fire M16.12 gauge shotguns are regular issue too.An AR-15 does not make a shotgun look like a peashooter,it,s not some magic wand of destruction. It,s a weapon,no more or less deadly than any other weapon,the cartridge it fires is less powerful than the old 30-30 Winchester deer rifle. None of these shooters are trained infantrymen,training is what makes the difference in a situation like this,but it has to be the right training for the situation and the decision makers have to be able to know when to switch tactics as the situation demands.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

When it is 19 police to 1 shooter and children are being murdered running in isn't that hard a choice.

 

[crashbandicoot]

When it is 19 police to 1 shooter and children are being murdered running in isn't that hard a choice.

It,s not a choice at all,it,s a responsibility.

 

[Oregon Viking]

I'm not a fan of the police, but it's hard to run into the line of fire when the perp has a weapon that probably makes your gun look like a peashooter.

They have the same weapons, except police have full auto versions.

Police departments have bought about 100,000 full-auto rifles from government surplus. Those are not evenly distributed amongst officers, but are concentrated in SWAT services.

The general beat cop will have one or two pistols on them. One short-barrel shot gun in the car between the front seats. And, one rifle in the trunk. That rifle is usually a semi-auto, AR-15 or similar. But it could be a full-auto M-16.

 

[Gare]

Well,you can join the Army and be trained to kill people you,ve never even met and in extreme cases be drafted against your will for the same thing when you,re 18. Seems to me there,s something screwed up about that too.If you,re not mature enough to drink alcohol,you,re not mature enough to survive combat without serious mental problems. That said I,d go for the 21 years to buy a gun if the age to join the Military is raised to 21. However,it,d probably be harder to get a bunch of 21 year olds to charge a hill than a bunch of 18 year olds.More mature,less amenable to bullshit. I,m a Marine Corps veteran,been there,joined at 19.

This is a VERY GOOD POINT CRASH !!!!!