Vaquero coil choices???? Help please....

[Tjack]

I am looking at purchasing a Vaquero and wondered which coil is best for my hunting needs. I am in the Midwest and looking for a machine for old homesteads and such. A lot of big iron and nails. I need to be able to "unmask" shallow targets from all the nails, iron, and such as well as get deep to find those hidden silver coins. I am wondering if the 9x8 or the 11x8 is the better choice? Thanks for any advise you can offer....

 

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[Welgund]

5.75 concentric is the best coil for your needs.

 

[Tjack]

Thanks Welgund... Does it get depth too? Just wondering because of the size

 

[digger27]

Some say the new 11X8 is pretty capable, but for sites you describe I would be thinking smaller, not big.
On a Vaq even he small snipers can get deep, Midwest soil is usually not to mineralized and pretty good so the nails and junk are your major problems.

Plenty of opinions coming, mine would be one of these.
The 5.75 concentric or widescan the top 2.

 

[Tjack]

Thanks for the input digger27.... I was thinking that a concentric would be the best choice and interesting that first 2 responses were smaller coils...

 

[doggoneitdignit]

You will get great depth with the 5.75 compared to the 9x8 or 11x8, I am sure the elliptical is up to par as well on comparison probably equal,but can't say for sure...I will let others way in on that but you can't go wrong with either, but for nails junky iron sites concentric would be the way to go.

If I were in a high minerallization and I had a 8x11 I would still go with the 5.75 widescan or elliptical but for junky areas moderate soil stick with the 5.75 concentric you can't go wrong for what you will need this for in your hunts.

I will tell you one thing if I were to grab another smaller coil it would be the wide scan elliptical because I already own what I do, and only if I were in higher minerallized soil. Can someone tell me the difference between the widescan 5.75 vs the elliptical what are the differences between these two in these soil conditions or is it just easier to maneuver and that is it, say around fences and trees and tighter spots.

 

[Terry Soloman]

Having used the Vaquero for many years, it is NOT the right detector for the type of hunting your are describing. If you already own one, then there are two coils you must have: 5¾" Round Concentric & 11X8" Widescan (DD).

If you have not bought the Vaquero, get the Outlaw with the three-coil pack.

 

[steve1357]

Imho

Buy the Vaquero and the 11x8 RSD now and get a smaller coil later which will be cheaper or off ebay.

If you buy the Vaquero and the 9x8 coil now, the 11x8 RSD will cost you $150 later....

The Vaquero 11x8 RSD option is only about $10 more than the Vaquero 9x8 as I look around. $450 vs $460

 

[doggoneitdignit]

Listen to Terry on this, if I was in your area with what you are describing he has a very good point with the Outlaw even if you are going shallow it can go deep especially with the three coil pack makes perfect let me repeat perfect sense here. if hunting homestead areas or if you are going to do parks or even if you get yourself into some minerallization it is a no brainer, not sure why I never thought of that, Terry u da man.

 

[Tjack]

Thanks everyone for the responses. Terry Soloman would the Outlaw be a better choice because of the 3 coil pack or will it just perform better in my situation? Not looking for a clad hunter but a serious deep and pick it apart machine. I haven't looked that hard at the Outlaw yet. Will it get deep with the smaller concentric coil or does it need the 12X10 to get deep? Thanks again....

 

[steve1357]

Im I wrong in saying the Vaquero is deeper than the Outlaw?

 

[Terry Soloman]

Im I wrong in saying the Vaquero is deeper than the Outlaw?

Yes, you are wrong - UNLESS, you are running in ALL METAL in really hot soils. In the discrimination mode, with the same coils, the Outlaw is deeper in mild to moderate soils.

 

[pinenut]

go with Outlaw...

If working around much iron trash, I'd also suggest Outlaw over Vaquero. Both good detectors, but Outlaw will be nicer to use in and around iron trash, while still getting good depth. Vaquero will be deeper than Outlaw, especially in "mild" soil. However, Vaquero is not as good at rejecting iton, or seperating ferrous from non-ferrous targets. Either can be used in iron with the right coil, but Outlaw is my preferred choice around trash.

That 11x8 Widescan is a nice coil for the open areas without much trash. It's well made, lightweight, sensitive, and has good depth. I like the 11x8, but not around lots of iron.

In the trashy spots though, you'll love the 5.75 concentric - on practically any Tesoro you choose.

The 9x8 concentric is an effective coil, but has not been my favorite.

If you do choose the Vaquero, I would also opt to get the 11x8 version for those cleaner spots, then get the 5.75 concentric coil for the trashy areas.

 

[Terry Soloman]

Thanks everyone for the responses. Terry Soloman would the Outlaw be a better choice because of the 3 coil pack or will it just perform better in my situation? Not looking for a clad hunter but a serious deep and pick it apart machine. I haven't looked that hard at the Outlaw yet. Will it get deep with the smaller concentric coil or does it need the 12X10 to get deep? Thanks again....

Small coils are not for depth, they are for separation and unmasking in shallow heavy trash. The 12" coil is your deep coil. The other important factor is kHz - Outlaw 10.6kHz, Vaquero 14.5kHz. Higher kHz is better for smaller targets, while lower kHz is better for deeper coin-sized targets - In General.

With the 8" coil the Outlaw is a killer. With the 12" coil it is an assassin. The best machine for DEEP relics is the Tejon, BUT is sucks in heavy trash

 

[pinenut]

Yes, you are wrong - UNLESS, you are running in ALL METAL in really hot soils. In the discrimination mode, with the same coils, the Outlaw is deeper in mild to moderate soils.

Terry, that's not what I've seen comparing the two in disc mode. My Vaquero with the same size 5.75 concentric, is deeper in composted pine needles than my Outlaw. Maybe I just have a strong Vaquero or a weak Outlaw; don't know. Then again, my testing may have been inaccurate, as you can run quite negative in compost without falsing... Maybe one was more negative than the other, giving more depth... Anyway, my Vaquero seems deeper, but I still prefer Outlaw in trash.

 

[pinenut]

?..With the 8" coil the Outlaw is a killer....

Absolutely agree, and that's the combo I usually run on my Outlaw, sometimes switching to the 5.75 in the trashy spots. I'd probably keep a 5.75 concentric on it all the time, if I didn't also have another Tesoro with the smaller coil waiting in the car as well.. (Bandido II μMAX).

If the 3 coil Outlaw pack wasn't such a good deal (but it is), I'd recommend the Outlaw W/ single coil to everyone wanting a great all-around land detector. Get the 3 coil pack, and you have a great detector, with two of my most used (favorite) coils.

 

[doggoneitdignit]

I do prefer where I hunt I keep my 5.75" on most of the time at a 14.7KHz machine, yes KHz and coil size makes a difference on the size of the object is smaller hence why I like to keep my smaller coil looking for smaller gold jewerly items, I do believe yes the larger coils are better deep seekers but depending what you are going for. This is why for what you are looking for and seperation and unmasking is key here and the Outlaw would indeed fit your need as a package deal, the Vaq and Tejon are deeper detectors for the type of object you are looking for on say what I like to compare together on these two are the 11x8, the Tejon rules and even in relics here, it is a great machine at 17 Khz no one can argue that. Talk to anyone the Tejon is chatery, does it suck in heavy trash I am not sure as I thought it was a great relic machine when I think relic though I think trash and that I need to change my mind in how the machine you are using and what you are looking for then the Tejon 5.75 widescan is your option here for seperate and unmasking... If you spend most of your time in trashy areas the Outlaw is still your choice and a heck of a silver clad coin finder for depth at that 10KHz operation.

 

[doggoneitdignit]

If you are not focusing on Relics then we should keep the focus on the Outlaw here and stay course for older coin hunting and can do quit well on gold jewerly even if it is fine (may not be the best), The Tejon with the smaller coil if we are not talking depth would be a great in shallow objects seperating and unmasking objects but like Terry said the Outlaw is great at doing this too look at the videos that 55 silver has out on this, let us not get you thinking of the Tejon here as I think the Outlaw would be a better choice, if Relic hunting is not your sole purpose of a machine, also your soil conditions it will be the Outlaw, as the Tejon works quit well in higher mineralized soils, that I think you may not have to worry so much about. I know some are going to say it is the coil when we are talking about the mild to moderate or higher mineralization but it is also the detector your are running with it respective KHz.

 

[steve1357]

Yes, you are wrong - UNLESS, you are running in ALL METAL in really hot soils. In the discrimination mode, with the same coils, the Outlaw is deeper in mild to moderate soils.

The rusting clay around here isn't bad, 55-60 GB on Fishers. It's just it may go 55-60 in one sweep!

I like my Silver umax, I miss the no motion all metal of my Fishers. The Vaquero in discriminate mode running about 2 oclock on threshold and about a half turn negative ground balance consistently beats my F70 and F75 machines in my yard. The Fishers chirp but cant ID it, thinks it's iron, the Vaquero keeps screaming a good solid tone even with discriminate at its highest.

I'll just have to get an Outlaw and see what it's all about.

 

[pinenut]

give one a try..

..I'll just have to get an Outlaw and see what it's all about.

Many people like them, but some don't give them a chance. Because of constant detector switching, barely used ones often show up on ebay and go for good prices.
Why not pick one up and give it a test..? If it doesn't work out for you, it'll always sell again.

I'm betting you'll like it.