Vermont colonial copper

[gunner45]

Hi all, I have a Vermont colonial copper I got today and am having the hardest time deciding if it's a 1786 or 1787
I didn't clean anything in the coin but someone else attempted to. It is the left Bust so I know it's one of those 2 dates

Any help would be appreciated

 

[gunner45]

Here are the pics

 

[Don in SJ]

1786 Ryder 11 An example of one on this site, but can be found at several other locations if you google it.
John Kraljevich Americana The Ryder 11 example is over 3/4 of the way down on this site.

 

[gunner45]

1786 Ryder 11 An example of one on this site, but can be found at several other locations if you google it.
John Kraljevich Americana The Ryder 11 example is over 3/4 of the way down on this site.

Thanks, what do you see on the coin that would indicate a Ryder 11?
Btw the coins weighs 130.2 grains

 

[Iron Patch]

Thanks, what do you see on the coin that would indicate a Ryder 11?
Btw the coins weighs 130.2 grains

Well the best answer to that is.... everything.

But to break it down, this particular obverse die was only on used on Ryder 11 and Ryder 15, so the reverse is what determines the variety between the two, and if you check Ryder 15 you can clearly see differences. Just looking at the hand in relation to the E (in INDE) shows it is not a match, therefore making your coin Ryder 11.

1787 Vermont Copper - Ryder 15

 

[Don in SJ]

Your Ryder 11 appears to have more detail than almost any of the ones on line that I could find, so that is a good one to have. As IP said, it is very obvious on the details and not a hard one to ID at all.

 

[gunner45]

You guys have been very helpful and I'm grateful for that- thanks
What would you say the coin is worth?

 

[Iron Patch]

You guys have been very helpful and I'm grateful for that- thanks
What would you say the coin is worth?

Hard to say, but here is one on ebay. You might only get 1/2 of what it gets because of the harsh cleaning and it being much less appealing to most collectors. But there's always some who can get past the condition and bid well because the coin still has some decent detail. You'd really have to sell it to see, but being "very scarce" is not rare enough to bring a high total in that condition.


1786 Vermont Copper Ryder 11 The mailed Bust Left Type Near VF Choice Coin | eBay