Thanks just gave those videos a watch. There were a couple of things I was doing different. 1st I was using my wrist instead of elbow. 2nd the angle on which I was tapping, I was just banging on pan not thinking of angle of tap. I'm having most problem separating gold from one canyon in particular that has some silver content in gold(closer to 18k), making it slightly lighter then 24k gold. First thing I bought was a couple sets of pans and 3 bags of gold hog con's (wanted to see how gold reacted and looked in pan). Didn't have as much as problem separating fines with it or other 2 places I've been that had 24k gold. I have blue bowl, that's under going conversion to gold lab knock off. But being newbie I pan everything first for practice(and fun of course). I need to finish blue bowl build, getting way to many already panned material containers sitting around. Thanks again for video