What do you consider to be the best book on the LDM?

[azdave35]

For what ever it's worth, when I lived in Phoenix in 1969 and 70 I climbed Red mountain twice. I wasn't looking for any treasure. Too bad the mountain is off limits, it was a nice climb.

exactly...there used to a jar up there and everyone that climbed up there used to write their names on paper and put it in the jar

 

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[Mescalero1]

...i looked into this when the book first came out

You know Dave, I don't know if you read any of it, but the one recurring theme in the book was when he figured something out, it was actually his wife who figured it out. And, as it turns out, she was the one that reported him for whatever he did. Maybe she wrote the book and he took credit for it! With all the back and forth on the LDM, I think we all stand a better chance of finding the lost Pegleg

I'm 1/2 Mescalero Apache and knowing the boys like I do, I am sure they have been in there more than a few times. I remember around 2006 or 2007 some guys were selling gold jewelry from LDM gold on ebay. And if I am not mistaken, they listed themselves as native, just don't remember the tribe. And since there are around 9 tribes that overlap the Tonto National Forest, maybe they are all taking some.

In the comments to Mr. X's Desert USA articles, there are a few that claim they have been in the mine and have been taking out money. I know it's off topic, but here is one guys reply:

"Buzz
Western States
I am surprised that you think you are so close to the mine. The mine WAS
guarded by individuals with bows and arrows. When people got close to
the mine, warning arrows would be shot. The arrows cared people away.
The mine is not where you think it is. When I returned from overseas in
the Army in 1968 I was sent to Fort Huachuca, Arizona. Two of my Army
buddies and I spent several months in study. Yep, we had the warning
arrows and WE ALSO FOUND THE GOLD. Keep writing because you are a
great writer. But we have all the gold we need! There is probably enough
gold left to fill about 20 huge 4 X 4 pick up trucks!!!!! Oh, the clues you
have been reading were merely decoys! If you go about 1/2 mile east of
where you think the Dutchman's mine is you will see a four foot rod in the
ground. It's a rod that people hang clothes on in their closets and it is
wooden and round. It is painted with alternate gold and black stripes each
about an inch long. I left it there as a marker in 1994, the last time I was
there to get gold. I now have more money than I can imagine so go for it.
Let me know if you find it. The bowsmen are now dead having spent all
the money they could so you will be safe. Their families are wealthy so
there is no need for armed guards there now. The bow and arrow is silent
and deadly. The rod is about a foot deep so there is three feet sticking up.
You can see it easily with binoculars from 200 feet away. Sure, I know
you don't believe me -- nobody does but that doesn't bother me one iota.
One of my Army buddies was a Ranger and he was an excellent tracker.
Tracking is a lost art to be sure. He taught me enough so that we leave
no tracks. There is no evidence that man was ever there. But the marked
and painted rod is easy to spot since yellow is the easiest color to detect
and it is easy to see. Virtually nobody ever gets out that far so placing the
marker was a sensible thing to do. We had been back about every three
years since discovering the mine and had trouble locating it. I wash you
the best AND happy hunting."

 

[azdave35]

You know Dave, I don't know if you read any of it, but the one recurring theme in the book was when he figured something out, it was actually his wife who figured it out. And, as it turns out, she was the one that reported him for whatever he did. Maybe she wrote the book and he took credit for it! With all the back and forth on the LDM, I think we all stand a better chance of finding the lost Pegleg

I'm 1/2 Mescalero Apache and knowing the boys like I do, I am sure they have been in there more than a few times. I remember around 2006 or 2007 some guys were selling gold jewelry from LDM gold on ebay. And if I am not mistaken, they listed themselves as native, just don't remember the tribe. And since there are around 9 tribes that overlap the Tonto National Forest, maybe they are all taking some.

In the comments to Mr. X's Desert USA articles, there are a few that claim they have been in the mine and have been taking out money. I know it's off topic, but here is one guys reply:

Western States
I am surprised that you think you are so close to the mine. The mine WAS
guarded by individuals with bows and arrows. When people got close to
the mine, warning arrows would be shot. The arrows cared people away.
The mine is not where you think it is. When I returned from overseas in
the Army in 1968 I was sent to Fort Huachuca, Arizona. Two of my Army
buddies and I spent several months in study. Yep, we had the warning
arrows and WE ALSO FOUND THE GOLD. Keep writing because you are a
great writer. But we have all the gold we need! There is probably enough
gold left to fill about 20 huge 4 X 4 pick up trucks!!!!! Oh, the clues you
have been reading were merely decoys! If you go about 1/2 mile east of
where you think the Dutchman's mine is you will see a four foot rod in the
ground. It's a rod that people hang clothes on in their closets and it is
wooden and round. It is painted with alternate gold and black stripes each
about an inch long. I left it there as a marker in 1994, the last time I was
there to get gold. I now have more money than I can imagine so go for it.
Let me know if you find it. The bowsmen are now dead having spent all
the money they could so you will be safe. Their families are wealthy so
there is no need for armed guards there now. The bow and arrow is silent
and deadly. The rod is about a foot deep so there is three feet sticking up.
You can see it easily with binoculars from 200 feet away. Sure, I know
you don't believe me -- nobody does but that doesn't bother me one iota.
One of my Army buddies was a Ranger and he was an excellent tracker.
Tracking is a lost art to be sure. He taught me enough so that we leave
no tracks. There is no evidence that man was ever there. But the marked
and painted rod is easy to spot since yellow is the easiest color to detect
and it is easy to see. Virtually nobody ever gets out that far so placing the
marker was a sensible thing to do. We had been back about every three
years since discovering the mine and had trouble locating it. I wash you
the best AND happy hunting."

yes i did read the book years ago....i'm part indian my self..(not apache but cherokee-choctaw)...you are right on finding lost mines...in my opinion they have already been found long ago and reworked....matter of fact just about anything on the surface has been found and worked...too many people out there covering the ground with detectors...anything below the reach of metal detectors is a different story

 

[Dirt1955]

OK guys, found the book. It was by Johnn Victor Ramses. The book was titled "Quest For Peralta Gold A Hidden History of Red Mountain". It is a great read. Most of the LDM books seem to hash over the same clues but he did a lot of research and actually shows pics of landmarks as he found them. He also talked about the Church Treasure up there that is supposed to contain a full sized golden pony. Sounds a lot more interesting that the LDM! The book is out of print but there are copies available for sale online.


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I researched John Victor Ramses years ago. He's from Australia was operating on you tube with a program called "Ghost Radio" and wrote about a lot of esoteric stuff. His last entry was on Twitter in 2010, had 7 followers. He has a video on youtube about his book and the lost dutchman. No substance to his story. Book might be a good read, but azdave is right, a lot of books written by folks with no real knowledge or boots on the ground. Found a copy for $25 on ebay for those interested.